Recovery? Lost...... or Stolen from Ft. Indiantown Gap PA.

[watkinssr]

If I bought a car and when I came to pick it up someone had stolen the stereo I would file a police report. It was my property that was stolen. Could that be done in this case?

 

[Dodge man]

If I bought a car and when I came to pick it up someone had stolen the stereo I would file a police report. It was my property that was stolen. Could that be done in this case?

Absolutely. Just because it's on a military base doesn't mean that YOU, the buyer, have no rights. File a formal written complaint with the base security police and if you like, the base commander. I strongly suspect that when the BC gets a few complaints he WILL make GL clean up their act. As far as military personnel helping themselves to GL equipment, that's theft of equipment pure and simple and I suspect the BC would take harsh measures against anyone caught STEALING equipment weather they're civilian, civil service or military. Just because some of the offenders are military and it's a military base doesn't give them any right to steal. The service provides them all the equipment that they are authorized to have and they're not allowed to go steal what they want under ANY circumstances! If they need a part off of a surplus vehicle there are ways for them to acquire it through channels and five finger requisition is not one of them! Also keep in mind that GL is a civilian business and once the service turns equipment over to GL, the service no longer owns it and can't authorize ANYONE to go and take what they want or need! IF the SPs and BC don't correct the problem then contact your Congressional representatives and senators. They really get the attention of base and unit commanders!! In fact, they take congress so seriously that they are required to respond within 24 hours of any congressional inquiry and anything related to a lack of security on a military base WILL get the attention of all concerned!

 

[watkinssr]

It makes sense, instead of trying to organize a boycott, a unified front is in order. Every time anyone buys a vehicle, and if so much as a bolt is missing from it they file a complaint with law enforcement, bc, and their concgessman, this will stop and quick.

 

[DUG]

It makes sense, instead of trying to organize a boycott, a unified front is in order. Every time anyone buys a vehicle, and if so much as a bolt is missing from it they file a complaint with law enforcement, bc, and their concgessman, this will stop and quick.

I'm sure it WILL stop - they'll just STOP selling cheap to small time collectors. Make enough noise and someone might just decide it isn't really worth the trouble to deal with collectors at all.

Comparing buying a surplus military truck to a new car is apple and oranges. New cars are mainstream, accepted, a way of life. Surplus military trucks are outside the norm. They will never be mainstream. Ever bring home a new car and have a problem with a nieghbor? Ever park your new car legally in the street and get a code violation?

We all want trucks just like they look in the pics and we want them cheap. You can't have everything. If GL has to hire people worth a **** and man every site, it's gonna drive up prices. If they have to move sold lots to another area, it's gonna drive up prices. You make enough noise and some base CO will just try to move GL off his base or make it even HARDER for people to get on and preview. Maybe a fix is NO ACCESS. Everything is done via pics and everything is shipped by a company picked by GL and your cost. You get EXACTLY what was in the pic, but....................................

My opinions, your mileage may vary............................

 

[Nonotagain]

This is one where "you have to be careful what you wish for"! Anything G/L does to improve security is going to cost EVERY buyer more money.
You remember how they fixed the problem with the SF97, now you have to buy them and have a LEO verify them.
Make a lot of trouble for them and it wouldn't be big deal for G/L to make vehicle sales "Dealer Only". Wayne

Wayne,

As it now stands, we ALL pay for the lack of security at GL.

If you preview a truck, then bid on said truck, say for $1750, then once notified that you were the high bidder, your credit card gets charged within three days unless you made other arraignments.

You submit the EUC and wait the required time for approval.

Scenario #1.
You attempt recovering the vehicle yourself. Since you previewed the truck, you knew that the truck needed batteries, but since it ran, you brought them with your supplies of oil and fuel. While checking the fluids, you notice that the injector pump has been removed.

Day over man, day over.

Scenario #2.
You don’t live close to the GL location and have another member do a preview for you. You pay a trucking company to pick up your truck. If you are lucky, you’re dealing with one of the transport members and he inspects the truck before signing the release. He notices that the IP is missing. You get a call that there are problems.

You have a couple of choices, accept the truck with the missing injector pump and hope that GL will pay for a replacement pump or refuse the truck.

If you refuse the truck, GL just got to use your money for a couple of months interest free. You get the expense of the recovery and a bad taste in your mouth.

As another member mentioned, a bailment was created with the sale. GL has an obligation to secure, now your vehicle until it’s been picked up.

GL somewhat has the deck stacked in their favor in that you agreed via the terms and conditions, that any legal action needs to be filed in AZ. I’m not so sure that this would hold up in the court of law if challenged if both you and the truck resided in the same state.

Dealer only sales would drop GL’s cut and wouldn’t be good for them. I believe that’s the reason that they opened Surplus on Demand, so that they could sell off items that didn’t get the minimum bid.

Wreckerman893 always mentions that you need to contact your Congress critter and let them know of what’s going on. This is one of those cases.

 

[Dodge man]

Buying used military trucks and new civilian cars may be apples and oranges but that doesn't matter. What matters is THEFT! NO organization can tolerate that and the military least of all, particularly ON a military base! Think of the implications of what it means if entire vehicles, engines, transmissions, LOCKED tool boxes, etc are being ROUTINELY stolen on certain bases! If entire 5 ton trucks can disappear how hard would it be for small electronics items, optical equipment, classified documents and the million and one other classified items found on just about any base to disappear? That's why the military CAN'T tolerate this kind of behavior even with cheap common items. Tolerating that could well be a career ender for the base commander and lot of other people involved if it ever became public knowledge. The first and foremost thing the military has to deal with is it's own security! Furthermore I know people that have been kicked out of the service or not been allowed to join or have had their security clearances denied for even minor theft even as juvenils. The military does take security and theft very seriously but only if it's reported!

GL can't stop the sales to small time buyers if they did everyone of us would raise HE## with our congress critters! And that would also mean that the dirty laundry would become public knowledge! All GL has to so is to start locking the gate when they're not there and not letting everyone and anyone roam around the place at will. Particularly people that work on the base or are stationed there and have easy access to the GL facility. The GL lot is not a public or military bone yard for base personnel to pick through at will! A couple of cameras in the right places would stop this kind of looting instantly! We expect security at Walmart and our grocery stores, should we expect any less on a US military base!! And I don't hear anyone complaining about the cameras at Walmart driving up the cost of business!

BTW HAVE you ever talked to anyone about going through the trash on a military base???? Let me tell you, It doesn't happen!!! I don't care where or why or what they're looking for. You DO NOT go through the trash on ANY US military installation unless you want to go to jail! So why should we tolerate people roaming through the GL lots taking anything they like? I think once this is brought to the attention of the base commanders, this would stop INSTANTLY!!!

 

[scrapman]

Most likely to happen. GL cancels your Privilege to buy from them. Just like any big retailer an unsatisfied cutomer is just a minor percentage point to be dealt with in a way that best benefits the company. You complain, I give you a refund, now go away. TV news crew? Ha! I laugh in your face. TV will side with the base personnel because that is their access to more interesting stories instead of thefts from obsolete equipment. This is just one of the hazzards that we have to deal with when buying from GL. Would I be saying this if I had been robbed? Yes, because I have been robbed also.

 

[Engine5]

I have to agree with Dodge man.
If the truck was secured on an American military base and something was stolen off of it this is what I would do. First download pictures of the truck as GL has it when you win the bidding. Then when you go to pick it up and it has been stripped of parts, file a report with local LEOS and or base security. Not the subcontracted meat heads but MP's. And I call them meat heads only because we were let on a base without any security check, ID check or vehicle check or anything for that matter.
It would be rather embarrassing for the base commander to have to answer why in a time of such extreme security measures vehicles are getting stripped on HIS base. File a police report and go from there. Without a properly filed police report you will get nowhere.

 

[DUG]

Dodgeman - What bases have you served on sir? What is your source for your statements? Theft is a bigger problem than you seem to think on base. My complex is missing a ton of computer equipment from the last audit. Things have been coming up missing since I was in bootcamp in the summer of 85. I can't make blanket statements such as - no one ever goes through the trash on a military base, but I will say, that on the many installations I have served on during my 25 years (and counting) minor theft always has been a problem. Going through the trash? I have a few funny stories about that - but that's for around a Dirtbag campfire. (let's just say It Happens)

I don't have any data, but I'm guessing that the collector or SS type person is a small percentage of GL's business. Where I work you don't want to be the 10% causing 90% of the headaches - right or wrong.

Good luck with whatever path you take. Boycott, call the MPs, write your congressmen, etc. I would love to see it change for the better, but I know that it won't and I can deal with it by remembering how little I paid for such a great truck. Sometimes you gotta pick your battles. If you think it CAN be fixed without causing bigger problems, than git er done. I think the system is flawed, but I'm glad to have it. Better than nothing. Why don't the guys who wanna buy HMMVEEs and Jeeps just call congress and get that stupid blunder fixed? There is no good reason they need to be crushed to be sold.

I honestly like the idea that no one gets on base and everything is bought over the internet and shipped. They would need better pics, but hey - you get everything you paid for and shipping will usually be safer than driving them home. No missed pick up appointments, no jump starts, no leaks, no hasles.

Of course, maybe we should have an exception for active and retired military.

 

[Dodge man]

Most likely to happen. GL cancels your Privilege to buy from them. Just like any big retailer an unsatisfied cutomer is just a minor percentage point to be dealt with in a way that best benefits the company. You complain, I give you a refund, now go away. TV news crew? Ha! I laugh in your face. TV will side with the base personnel because that is their access to more interesting stories instead of thefts from obsolete equipment. This is just one of the hazzards that we have to deal with when buying from GL. Would I be saying this if I had been robbed? Yes, because I have been robbed also.

Let me ask you this, have you ever made any legitamite and non-threatening complaint in ANY store and been told not to come back??? Have you ever heard of anyone that has been?? Of course not! If they did your next stop would be your lawyer's office and the second would be the local TV news station! GL is no different. If you complain in a courteous manor they have NO grounds to kick you out. However if you go in there screaming and hollering and threatening everyone then they may kick you out and deservedly so. The locals might want to kick you out but the corporation certainly wouldn't risk the negative publicity or the legal or the political ramifications! You are within every legal right to file a complaint and/or theft report in the event of a theft and no one can tell you different. If they tried to I would go straight to GL's corporate office, the SP/MP, the base commander AND my congress critters.* Let me tell you from first hand experience that people that live and work on bases file complaints and theft reports EVERY day and there is never any ramifications against the victum.

TV news: I don't know where you live but I've lived in a LOT of places and on a L O T of military bases and the TV news never cut them any slack! Particularly in the event of any kind of wrong doing! Taking on a sloppy GL office doesn't mean that you (or they hate) the US military or the US government! It just means that you expect them to do the right thing!

* IN FACT, this is almost identical to one of the questions that the DIS (Defense Investigative Service) asks about potential security clearance holders. They want to KNOW that they would report any threat/blackmail attempt and people that cower down and won't act usually don't get a security clearance! In other words you are EXPECTED to make complaints about threats and if GL says or insinuates that you'll be kicked out for making a complaint or theft report that is a THREAT and should be treated as such! And yes I've had a security clearance for a LONG LONG time!

 

[bassetdeuce]

Ever bring home a new car and have a problem with a nieghbor? Ever park your new car legally in the street and get a code violation?

Heh, ever been to my neighborhood?

I understand the point you are trying to make, but I chuckled at your statements here. I do not intend to derail the thread, but I live in perhaps THE WORST busybody, soccer mom/baby factory HOA community you could ever imagine. I've had exactly what you said happen with new, late model cars on the street, or driveway at my house here in this Martha Stewart neighborhood from hades. I could actually show you the BS parking tickets from LEGALLY parking NEW cars "improperly" in the driveway, and off the street in front of the house. Yes, the "street captain" and her friends do neighborhood patrols on people they deem "not fitting in" here. Needless to say, our MVs are in storage. For if they ever saw one of them, I would surely be on channel 9 news quicker than spit.

That is why I'm busy moving out of here now. Carry on.

 

[Dodge man]

Dodgeman -

Oh BTW - "Challenger" has two Es and only one "A"...........................

It's too bad you haven't learned to use Google! Google It's spelled both ways! Although "challenger" is usually a verb and not a noun. The US space shuttle was named "Challanger", the British tank is named "Challanger" AND the Dodge automobile that I OWN is named "Challanger"! And that's just to name a few obvious examples!

As far as what bases I've lived and worked on. There ARE too many to name but a just a few are Mather, McClellan, Peterson, Keesler, Lackland, McCoy, Homestead, Patrick, Andrews, Jax NAS, Ft Polk, Ft Riley, Ft Levinworth. I was born on a USAF base and I have lived or worked on over half the USAF bases in the US and several in foreign countries, I've also worked at the US Naval Academy and several naval bases. AND several US Army bases and if that's not enough I've lived and worked on several Canadian bases and on a Royal Thai Air Force base AND a Korean army base! I've been on bases as a dependent, as member of the US military, as a tech rep and as a civilian contractor and in several other capacities. And I've also been a victim of a theft on a base and I did report it and got something done about it so yes I have experience in this area!

How about you?

 

[Dodge man]

Of course, maybe we should have an exception for active and retired military.

I LIKE that idea! How about a big discount too?

 

[markmontana]

It's too bad you haven't learned to use Google! Google It's spelled both ways! Although "challenger" is usually a verb and not a noun. The US space shuttle was named "Challanger", the British tank is named "Challanger" AND the Dodge automobile that I OWN is named "Challanger"! And that's just to name a few obvious examples!

Whoa- before you call a guy out- get your facts straight- Space Shuttle Challenger- I think they spelled it right on the memorial:

 

[DUG]

How about you?

25 years active duty Navy - mostly west coast. So a LOT of Navy/Marine bases and any place you might pull a ship into on a deployment. Miramar (before we gave it away), 32nd street (multiple times), North Island (multiple times), Lemoore, Barking Sands, Pearl, Camp Pendleton, etc, etc and trips, schools all over the US. So my statements are only based on what I have seen on my watch on the bases I've been to - nothing more.

Change the process my man - teach us. Make it better for everyone and don't let it cost us any more money or our ability to buy surplus trucks at great prices.

If you think you can do that - let's see it.

I'll be busy working on easier stuff - like world peace and stopping global warming - two things that will be fixed long before GL is.

Keep us informed of your progress..................................

 

[bassetdeuce]

I'll be busy working on easier stuff - like world peace and stopping global warming - two things that will be fixed long before GL is.

Keep us informed of your progress..................................

True. I don't think Jesus Christ himself could fix GL.

 

[DUG]

It's too bad you haven't learned to use Google! Google ?

Dodge Challenger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dodge Challenger For Sale - Classic Dodge Challenger Classifieds - Classic Cars

Dodge Challenger Search Results - Deals on Wheels

Top three on my GOOGLE search................................

Try both ways and see which one gets more results.

If you want to buy a 1970 version off of eBay you better use two Es - http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_tr...70+dodge+challenger&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Oh and tell these guys they spelled it wrong : http://www.dodgechallenger.com/

 

[Dodge man]

Hey guys, let's put this in hold. I think I can get some pretty straight answers. My daughter is a practicing attorney and a very very good one (as lawyers go!) She also used to work in the 82nd Airborne's JAG office in Ft. Bragg so she knows how the military legal system works. I'll give her a call and she what she thinks.

 

[Dodge man]

25 years active duty Navy - mostly west coast. So a LOT of Navy/Marine bases and any place you might pull a ship into on a deployment. Miramar (before we gave it away),

Gave it away? When? Last I heard the US Marines were still holding out against the civies! My son was there up until last year with HMM 166. He's since moved over to Pendelton with the 11th MEU HQ.

 

[DUG]

Gave it away? When? Last I heard the US Marines were still holding out against the civies! My son was there up until last year with HMM 166. He's since moved over to Pendelton with the 11th MEU HQ.

I'm N A V Y. The NAVY gave NAS Miramar away to the Marines. Well, it was BRAC and it was the in thing to do, but yeah, if you talk to some NAS Miramar folks, you'll find that they think we GAVE it away to the Marines...............