Winch problems!!!!

[rpollitt01]

I just bought a 67 Kaiser Deuce and my winch appears to be broken. As you can see from the picture, it seems someone has let it run all the way in while attached to the bumper. You cant really see but the plate the runs across the top is bent and the bolt on the bottom is bent.


The shear pin is missing, PTO seems to be working fine w/ no noise. Just wondering where to find a parts breakdown and looking for input from anyone one else on where to go from here.


My plans are to get it off the truck and open it up. Hopefully nothing else is damaged but not likely....I cant even get the cable to release and pull out..


Let me know if you know of a source for parts/ help...


Thanks

Ryan

 

[chicklin]

This is all covered in the TM's (technical manuals). Parts breakdown, troubleshooting, operation.

How do you know there is anything wrong with it? Every winch I've seen, the top plate is bent, that doesn't mean anything is broken. Get a 9/32 bolt to put in as a temporary shear pin. Check the fluids on it and run it in and out a little bit. If it works, save yourself the trouble of taking it all apart.

 

[rpollitt01]

I have checked my manuals and all I can find is section 78-1....In TM. Handle is stuck (very little movement). And shouldnt I be able to pull it out freely once the pin is released?

 

[chicklin]

There is a locking lever on the passenger side to unlock the drum. The clutch handle on the same side (but closer to the grill) controls whether or not the drive gear and the drum are engaged. For free spooling, the locking lever needs to be unlocked and the clutch needs to be in the "Out" position. You should then be able to unwind your cable.

The -34P should have the parts breakdown of the winch, I would think.

 

[gringeltaube]

This is a good thread: http://www.steelsoldiers.com/deuce/65324-broken-winch-my-deuce.html
Many more come up if you search for "Deuce winch broken".

Detailed winch maintenance & repair procedures are described in the TM 9-2320-361-34, Chapter 16. The parts manual covering this and other winches is the TM 9-3830-206-34P.

G.

 

[cbvet]

Winch may actually be fine.
Replace shear pin, put PTO in a neutral position, unlock drum, disengage winch (out) & try turning the drive collar with a strap or pipe wrench.
If it turns both ways, then engage the winch (in) & try winding & unwinding cable.
If that works you're probably OK. The shear pin did it's job.

 

[M35A2-AZ]

Besure and check that the back plate on the winch is not into the radiator.
When I got my truck someone had bird nested the cable and the lock for the lever in the back was into the radiator.
Good luck!!

 

[combat32]

First get a big club to beat her with, oh, you said winch I thought you said wench. Some closeup pics might help, front, rear, side we might be able to tell what is goin on or not goin on.

 

[mhb285]

It looks like its under tension & locked up,right & You can't move the lever cuz it's under tension?.... Cut a link in the chain & watch out! BE CAREFULL!

 

[Atomic]

I would say remove the shackle pin and pry it downwards. No link cutting required. If that is possible.

 

[KsM715]

If its that tight already I doubt the drum lock pin is in. It would be awfully lucky to get the holes lined up while its under tension. I bet the cable is just bound against itself.

 

[rpollitt01]

Yeah it seems like its under preassure. Can I safely remove the shackle pin? The previous owner said it worked fine the last time he used it....I'm going outside to work on it now....Keep the suggestions coming...

 

[Bob H]

If it is under tension, why not unwind it by rotating the input yoke? The shear pin is already out.

 

[rpollitt01]

Here are some more pics...I tried to use a come along to get it to unwind and no luck....

 

[doghead]

That cable looks pretty bad. I'd cut it with a torch and replace it.

 

[rpollitt01]

Yeah thats the best plan at this point...Thanks for all your help. I'll let you know how it works out...

 

[73m819]

I would say that pic 4 shows why you can't unspool

 

[KsM715]

If it is under tension, why not unwind it by rotating the input yoke? The shear pin is already out.

Move the pto shaft out of the way and try to spin the winch in reverse. Loosen up the drum enough to get the hook off the shackle without any tension on it. Once its loose release the clutch on the winch, double check to see the drum lock pin is out and hook the winch onto another vehicle and pull the cable out that way.

 

[rpollitt01]

I'm just concerned by all the bent metal. It even pulled the bumper in towards the center. Luckily the frame does not seem bent in...we will see..

 

[rpollitt01]

73m what are your thoughts? Yes the chain is wound on there pretty well but its not bound up on anything....