Why is it that DRMS/GL don't follow their own Demil regulations? I posted a bit of this on the Gamma Goat forum, but wanted to expand here on it. The areas I've found discrepencies has been with the M561/792 Goats, as well as the GMC P-10 Rescue trucks built for the USAF.
On the Goats, everywhere that has them generally won't allow them to be auctioned off nor parts removed. Specifically referring to the Oklahoma Forest Service, where about 103 Goats reside at the Goldsby, Oklahoma yard facilty, they're not allowing anything to be done with them due to Demil regulations, the vehicles are there awaiting total destruction. However the DRMS 4160 reg states in Special Conditions for Demil, that for Goats, there are numerous parts that are exempt from Demil requirements, notably the trailer portion as a whole. Yet there aren't any places auctioning these off that will allow these parts to be auctioned and claim that the whole vehicle must be mutilated. Here is the excerpt from the DRMS:
Gamma Goat Vehicles
Definition/Description
NSN 2320-00-873-5407 is for M561 cargo truck and NSN 2310-00-832-9907 is for the M792 ambulance truck.
Policy References/Authority
Item Manager Direction.
Unique Processing Information/How to Manage
Receiving:
Gamma Goats may only be received as defective property. Completely destroy body and chassis by crushing or shredding.
Components of the tractor (front or power driven) part or the Gamma Goat that are exempt from mutilation are the engine, transmission, transfer/final drive assemblies, radiator, gages (fuel, water temperature, etc.) and tires/wheels. The trailer (rear) part of the Gamma Goat is exempt from mutilation.
note: This vehicle is not applicable for processing through DLA Depot Recycling Control Points (RCPs).
Warehousing/Storage: Storage will be accomplished as appropriate for the mutilated and un-mutilated components of the vehicle.
Reutilization/Transfers/Donations:
When transferring Gamma Goat vehicles to FCAs and/or SASPs provide GSA approved SF 122/123s. These forms must contain the following certification statement:
“This vehicle is highly unusual with the unique capabilities of four wheel steering and amphibious capability. Though this vehicle is safe in and manufacture for its intended purpose, these unique capabilities could require extra operator competence and caution should be exercised in the operation and use of this vehicle outside the design specification. After completion of use, recipient will contact the appropriate GSA office for disposition instructions.”
Gamma Goats are authorized for issue to the LESO. The LESO requisition document must contain the same certification statement required for transfer as shown above.
Demilitarization/Mutilation: Gamma Goats must be processed and mutilated in a manner similar to the M-151 series vehicles.
note: On-base mutilation is required. If quantity or surveillance cost is excessive, DRMOs may request approval for off-site mutilation. The off-base mutilation approvals may be requested via e-mail to the Operations office/DEMIL office. The surveillance plan must include sufficient oversight by DRMO employees to ensure that the Gamma Goat vehicles are being mutilated.
Similarly, the GMC P-10 Rescue Trucks fall under the same question. These trucks were manufactured for the USAF in two distinct lots/model years: Carter Chevrolet manufacturered them in 1985/86 (NSN: 4210-01-147-2031), and Landoll Corporation manufactured them in 1989/90 (NSN: 4210-01-248-9082). The DRMS publication states that the 85/86 model years by Carter Chevrolet must have the utility box separated and destroyed and only the chassis unit made available for sale due to chassis crack problems; however there is no provision for the Landoll 89/90 model year P-10 to be treated in the same manner. Problem is, every P-10 I've ever come across in auction is mutilated/demil'd according to the reg, even though many of them I've seen are Landoll models that should be exempt. SS member Dilvoy is one of the few that has gotten one from surplus complete.
My question is, how do we get DRMS/GL to comply with their own regulations? I've brought this particular problem up once to them, but received no response or attention to it.
P-10 specifics:
P-10 Forcible Entry Trucks (131)
Definition/Description
Model years 1984 and 1985 of these trucks, from Carter Chevrolet; have developed structural cracks in the modular body sub-frame. The NSN is P-10 Forcible Entry Trucks (131)
Definition/Description
Model years 1984 and 1985 of these trucks, from Carter Chevrolet; have developed structural cracks in the modular body sub-frame. The NSN is 4210-01-147-2031. One way to identify the trucks is through the Carter Chevrolet registration number, which begins with an 84 or 85. The cracks have resulted in total separation. They are readily visible at times and not discernable on some vehicles. Once the cracks occur, there is a high probability of complete separation of the body from the chassis while in operation. The P-10s with cracks create an unsafe operating environment.
Policy References/Authority
Item Manager Direction
Unique Processing Information/How to Manage
Receiving:
Prior to turn-in to the DRMO, the utility body must be removed from the truck cab and chassis. These parts must be received separately. The utility body should be received and processed as scrap. The DTID for the utility body must contain documentation that it cannot be reunited with the chassis and sold to the general public.
note: This property is not authorized for receipt from DLA Depot Recycling Control Points (RCPs).
Warehousing/Storage: Utility bodies from the trucks will be stored in appropriate scrap accumulations. Truck cab and chassis will be stored for processing as usable items.
Reutilization/Transfers/Donations:
Standard RTD processes will be used for the truck cab and chassis.
Demilitarization/Mutilation: Not applicable.
Sales: Once the utility body is removed the truck cab and chassis can be sold without restrictions.
Property Accounting: When NSN is input into accountable record a SALD Code will appear with additional processing information.
. One way to identify the trucks is through the Carter Chevrolet registration number, which begins with an 84 or 85. The cracks have resulted in total separation. They are readily visible at times and not discernable on some vehicles. Once the cracks occur, there is a high probability of complete separation of the body from the chassis while in operation. The P-10s with cracks create an unsafe operating environment.
