Starter staying energized

[kabar1]

The starter is staying on with one battery hooked up and the key out of the ignition. I changed the starter relay hooked the battery up and the starter stayed on again with the key out of the ignition, any ideas??

 

[Gunnermac]

Starter on what?

 

[kabar1]

M1009 starter

m1009 starter

 

[Gunnermac]

Did you do the Doghead starter relay mod?

 

[kabar1]

Yes, I don't understand how it is getting power with the key out of the ignition.

 

[cpf240]

The solenoid on the starter could be stuck. I would suggest disconnecting the power cable that runs to the starter from the 24v buss, then get out the test light and see if the DH starter relay is getting power when the battery is connected. The ignition switch has more than one set of contacts inside it, so it could go bad and other functions not be affected. Also, the ignition switch could be out of adjustment, though enough to engage the starter seems a bit much.

 

[doghead]

Is the little wire touching the big wire on the starter?

 

[albersondh]

"IF" the switched hot to the solenoid is dead (just disconnect it for trouble-shooting this...), and its cranking, the contact plate inside the back of the solenoid is welded to the main power and motor jumper lugs. When the solenoid is sent power it acts like a high current relay for the starter motor. The starter solenoid is engauged, energizes its electro-mag, pulls back on a fork that pushes the bendix assy forward, shoving the pinion gear in mesh with the flywheel. At the same time, a contact plate inside the solenoid closes the high current starter motor circuit, by connecting the main power cable, and the jumper cable going from the solenoid to the starter motor (I think these are usualy 6A or 7A cables?).

Anyways, smack the solenoid with a hammer toward the rear of the housing close to the big power studs (location of the contact disc), should/might knock the plate loose. Long term fix, remove the solenoid, dissasemble, and flip the plate around, using the side that has never made contact with the main power lugs, good as new.....

 

[kabar1]

Doghead was correct the two wires were to close and they arched.