M416 cargo trailer for M1009

[CycleJay]

hndrson,

Thanks for the reply and the weight ratings..

But that still does not answer my question.
How is it that some guys here with M1009's can tow a M101 with no problems?
and also recommend it as a great trailer for the M1009, if it cannot handle the weight.

Thanks

CJ

 

[hndrsonj]

It's the same as: you can tow a M105 with a M1009, but that doesn't mean you should.

 

[scranch18121]

Keep an eye on Craigslist but you cant be in a hurry.

 

[timntrucks]

nice campout set up in that trailer. gotta love the 101s and the 416s. comparing them.. you can sleep in the 101 with the top on. makes it so nice.

 

[cpf240]

From the -10:

a.
b.
c.​

Towing Capacities of CUCV Models.​

(1)
(2)​

M1009.​

Equipped to tow M416 Series 1/4 ton trailers with maximum towed load
of 1200 pounds for both cross-country and highway travel. Load on tongue should
not exceed 100 pounds.
FA1008, M1008A1, M1028, M1028A1, M1028A2, and M1028A3, Equipped to tow
M101 Series 3/4 ton trailers with maximum towed load of 3100 Ibs. Load on tongue​

should not exceed 300 Ibs.

There has also been talk here of a directive from the military stating NOT to tow the M416 as you can't see it when you back up. I have not seen this directive, but if someone has it, please post it!

As for me, I've decided to get an M101A2 for use with my M1009, and I'll just have to be careful with how I load it. I'd like to get an M416 as well, but they seem to be rarer and more $$ than the M101A2s.

 

[twlinks]

I have both, an M101A1 and M101A2. I've had close to 1,000 lbs in the A1 and also the A2 and I couldn't tell a lick of difference in towing either one. Granted, I didn't have to make a sudden stop, in which case the A2 surge brakes would be nicer and safer, but as for towing down the road, they are the same to me.

Now, I was towing them with a one ton Chevy truck, not the M1009 since it isn't even here yet (tomorrow morning though, FINALLY), but I certainly plan on towing both of them behind the M1009, they will just never have a real heavy load.

They are the best "utility" trailer I've ever owned and I'll never be without one again.

 

[CycleJay]

Hi Guys,

Well considering the weight limits on the M1009, when it comes to towing.
I will err on the side of caution, and stick with looking for an M416.

I do not wish to tear apart my M1009 by towing an M101..

Thanks for the advice.. I just do not want to run the risk.

I will keep my eyes open for an M416..

Good night,

CJ

 

[tigger]

the m416 was made to be pulled behind a jeep! i have one for mine.

 

[combat32]

The 416 may be the book answer but the Army sure ignored it while I was in.They phased out the 416's in active service in the late 80's when the 1009's were brand new.Never saw 1009's towing much but when I did it was a 101.

 

[CycleJay]

Hi guys,

Well in that case.. Since the M1009 seems like it is not capable of towing a trailer,
without exceeding its weight limits,
Which CUCV would I need to buy/drive to tow the M101 series of trailers,
without exceeding any weight limits?

Then perhaps I will get rid of my M1009, and get a CUCV capable of towing a trailer.

Thanks for all your help guys, As much as I like my M1009, it has been a serious disappoint,
to some degree..

Good night,

CJ

 

[tigger]

Just buy a regular pickup truck! It dosent have to be military and would be cheeper to fix.

 

[CycleJay]

Hello,

With all due respect, I would prefer a military vehicle..
That is why I asked which one I would need.


Thank you,

CJ

 

[combat32]

My 1008 pulls my 101 fine no matter how much crap I pile in it.

 

[CycleJay]

Hello combst32,

Thank you for the tip. Perhaps I will look into trading my M1009 in, for one of those then.
Because now I have a need in the near future to be able to tow.
And it does not sound like the M1009 can handle it, without exceeding weight limits.

Good night,

CJ

 

[TyJustice]

Hello combst32,

Thank you for the tip. Perhaps I will look into trading my M1009 in, for one of those then.
Because now I have a need in the near future to be able to tow.
And it does not sound like the M1009 can handle it, without exceeding weight limits.

Good night,

CJ

Why are you so preoccupied with exceeding weight limits?

You will be able to load a m101 with 1500 lbs and tow with the m1009 and still be within spec. If your blazer is empty, you can put another 500 lbs maybe little more and be ok.


What is the main purpose of the trailer(landscaping, camping/little extra room, firewood)?

Now, If I was going to hit the road...say to Alaska, the m416 stuffed with gear to save room in the 09 would be the better choice.

 

[Evil Dr. Porkchop]

At least try towing an m101a2 before you sell your m1009, and see for yourself.
The tm also says the max speed is 55mph for all cucvs, but a civi blazer thats exactly the same as an m1009 is rated for highway speeds.

 

[CycleJay]

TyJustice,

Thank you for the message..

But I am not preoccupied with exceeding my M1009's weight limits,
I do NOT want to do that at all..

But hndrsonjr said towing a M101 would exceed the M1009's limits,
according to the TM's..

But you are telling me that the M1009 CAN handle towing an M1009,
without exceeding weight limits, even with 1500 lbs of cargo in the trailer,
and another 500 lbs in the M1009 itself..

So that is why I wonder what to do.. I do not want to tear up my M1009,
by trying to pull something too heavy.

Evil D. Porkchop, I could do that, if anyone in the Atlanta area would ,
let me borrow one long enough for a test drive.. So I can see for myself.

Thank you..


Good night,

CJ

 

[GM-M1008]

If you think about it for a second those weight ratings are for a bumper hitch. The rear bumper of a m1009 is not very strong(they are strong enough to tow a m101 not fully loaded) . If you go out and buy your self a hitch receiver that bolts to the frame(4 bolts for most k5 receivers) it will increase your towing capacity. I have a hitch receiver off my k5 blazer the max weight the reciver can hold is 6,000lbs (stamped right on the receiver) and It also reads the trailer cant weight more than 2,000lbs. You said the 101 weighs 1340 lbs so you have plenty of room to play on the trailer weight. The 101 is a 3/4 ton trailer so that would be 1500lbs. The weight of the trailer plus a load is 2840 which is well under the max rate of a hitch receiver. So there is an option for you to consider to make you k5 more fit to tow a m101.

 

[Ken_86gt]

I don't see any problem towing 4-5k lbs. The civilian models could move up to 11,000lbs total including the truck. The military is not any less a truck than the civilian models. Now at this heavier weights I am sure that you are looking at load leveling equipment - which can not be done with the standard military pintle hitch.
http://coloradok5.com/brochures/1984/blazer5.jpg

 

[hndrsonj]

You will be able to load a m101 with 1500 lbs and tow with the m1009 and still be within spec. If your blazer is empty, you can put another 500 lbs maybe little more and be ok.

Really, within spec? Where does it say that? The military does under rate vehicles. I would personally pull a 101 (in a M1009) with maybe 500-750 lbs in it but 1500 is way pushing it. The bumper hitch also has nothing to do with the manuals recommendations as both the M1008 and M1009's have bumper hitches. Also, all you guys saying my M1008 pulls it fine, didn't read; M1009's have GM 10 bolts with 3:08's, not 14 bolts with 4:56's. Last, if you do it with your civvy blazer, how many have 3:08's? CJ is right, either use a 416 or a relatively lightly loaded 101 (and that's against the manual).