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Is my Winch broke?

Somemedic

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Looked inside the holes where it looks like a fella would pour gear oil and they were both dry. Turned the small brake lever a quater turn and placed it into the deepest slot to disengage the brake. The winch lever (outside on the winch) looks to be moved into the "IN" position and the chain is wrapped around the bumper pretty tight. I engaged the PTO and eased off of the clutch. I didnt notice any sounds but did confirm the PTO shaft was spinning. The outside lever will not budge even after the hinge lock is moved out of its path. Seemed like sand or old dried up goo was inside the oil res on the lever side of the clutch. Tried rocking the lever back and forth some but to no avail, I turned the small lever (clutch brake) back out of the deeper groove into the shallower one and there seemed to be no change in the lever's amount of motion.

80w gear oil alright to pour in? Do i need a sheer pin? Find a tree and yank? Think I need some major sugery??
 

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Firstly confirm that the shear pin isn't broken. If you haven't located that yet, it's on the yoke where the drive shaft attaches to the winch. I'd bet its broke. If there were issues inside the winch, when you let the clutch out, you would know it. That dog clutch lever may not be engaging as well. They sometimes get stuck. I'd say make sure you are familiar with the operation and once you have it ready to go, fill it up with ATF and cycle it a few times then drain all this out, let it drip for a while and fill it with 90 wt.
 

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This is all in the -10 TM. Please check this again...you should have a crisp understanding of how to operate it before attempting to do so. It is easy to break the winch if you don't know exactly what you're doing.

Sounds to me like either the shearpin is broken, or the clutch isn't engaging. Make sure the drum lock is out (unlocked) and the drum clutch is in.

Shearpins are $3.50 each from Saturn...keep a few in the glovebox. Never use anything other than the correct shearpin, or you can kill the winch for good.
 

Jakob

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Re: RE: Is my Winch broke?

DanMartin said:
This is all in the -10 TM. Please check this again...you should have a crisp understanding of how to operate it before attempting to do so. It is easy to break the winch if you don't know exactly what you're doing.
Easy to break the winch and even easier to break yourself. Goofing around with the winch while the PTO is turning isn't a good idea. That's how I read your post anyway...
 

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Re: RE: Is my Winch broke?

DanMartin said:
Shearpins are $3.50 each from Saturn...keep a few in the glovebox. Never use anything other than the correct shearpin, or you can kill the winch for good.

I'd be more worried about myself than the winch......... ;-)
 

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RE: Re: RE: Is my Winch broke?

There was a good post a few weeks back that showed what a bolt in place of the sear pin will do. Not a pretty site.
 

Jakob

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RE: Re: RE: Is my Winch broke?

When I first looked at the thread with the blown up winch, I decided to check out mine. Low and behold there's a grade 8 bolt in there. Luckily, I haven't used mine for anything other than when I unspooled and re-rolled it.
 

GoHot229

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Theres been several posts/threads about shear pins and all the junk people have used as shear pins, from grade 8 bolts, grade 5 bolts to agricultural shear bolts, and there have been discutions on the stock shear pins being less than adequate. I can see if there were any play eliptically with the shaft on the winch and the yoke where the pin goes, surely it would not help, lots of vibration and hammering, but if the shaft and universal are good, what is the current latest bolt/pin that everybody is useing with good results, yet shearing when needed. My winch seems to shear pins without much tug going on, far sooner than one would expect, by all appearances my yoke and shaft seem to be a fairly tight fit and not hog'd in any way. You could likely not get the thinnest of feeler guages in between the yoke and shaft, ....I know, should be mike'd to be acurate. I'm just sai'n theres just not any play on mine, but will slip forward and rearward with only minimal drag.
 

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When I first looked at the thread with the blown up winch, I decided to check out mine. Low and behold there's a grade 8 bolt in there. Luckily, I haven't used mine for anything other than when I unspooled and re-rolled it.
My M35A2 came from GL with a bolt in place of the shear pin...

Pretty Common situation from what I hear!

Seems that the Motor Pool guys were more interested in "fixing" the broken shear pin ONCE than they were with possible winch destruction!
 

Garandfan

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If you have a lathe and some aluminum, make em! And keep the tranny in low gear. I thought about using a bolt more than a few times, but I'd rather throw the pin than the winch. Sounds like a shear pin problem on this post.
 

cattlerepairman

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My M35A2 came from GL with a bolt in place of the shear pin...

Pretty Common situation from what I hear!

Seems that the Motor Pool guys were more interested in "fixing" the broken shear pin ONCE than they were with possible winch destruction!
Ditto on my truck, but it is a Grade 2 bolt and luckily I checked!

A reminder to swap it out for the shear pins that I put into the glovebox...
 
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I appear to be having the same issue with the winch on the Deuce I just got. The fluid reservoir on the right side of the winch appears to be full of oil, but there is none on the left side, where the dog lever is. I assume that both reservoirs should be full, shouldn't they? My shear pin seems fine, it is wired in to the yoke and will not come out, so I guess it is in good shape.

Whoever wound up the winch for the last time reeled it in too far, the cable lead is stuck up against the buffer plate on the right side. I have tried to reel the cable out but the spool doesn't move. I hope that is because the dog lever is not fully engaged, it seems to be stuck, I guess due to the lack of oil.

I will try the ATF route and see what happens. Any helpful suggestions are appreciated.

LC

ETA: Well, poured ATF down the leftside reservoir and it started leaking out. I guess there is some sort of seal in there, and either it rotted out or something major is wrong.

Anybody got any ideas? I think I can figure how to take the winch off, but working on them might be a bit dicey.
 
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Jake0147

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First off... I've got to agree with the other posts, that some time in the TMs is going to be a very big benefit. Personally (everybody picks up things differently), I found the parts TMs to be a valuable resource to figure out how the inside's work, and THEN the operator's TMs became much more clear.

The drum lock pin is just that, it's a pin that inserts into the drum. Pull it out (shallow notches) to release the drum, or push it in (deep notches) to engage and lock the drum. It is not stout, it is only to prevent the "spring" in the cable and gravity from the chain from allowing the drum to vibrate it's self loose.

The drum clutch (the outside winch "IN/OUT" lever is a two dog sliding collar type clutch. There are only two positions at which it will engage, 180 degrees apart. If the dogs are not lined up correctly, it won't move. From the original post, the reference to the locking plate for said lever, thankfully it sounds like it is in the freewheel position, otherwise imminent and immediate damage would have occurred....

These things are quite effective, but very clunky and cumbersome to master on the first time around. Being as it's already bound up and there is ZERO margin for error at this time, I'm going to highly recommend something here... After the shear pin is verified as present and correct, with the in-cab PTO control in neutral and the drum lock lever out (in the shallow grooves) stick a screwdriver through the universal joint at the winch input and manually rotate it until the drum clutch lever will allow the winch to be engaged. Use the same screwdriver (or prybar, it's pretty solid...) manually turn the driveshaft to forcibly unwind the cable to the point where it is free and tension is removed from the drum and cable.
Place the drum clutch back in the "out" position so the drum will (should) freewheel. Attach a car, truck, ATV, compact tractor, etc to the cable and gently pull it out a bit, twenty or thirty feet preferably.
Now, with a "moveable" load attached to the cable, the cable out far enough so that you can SEE what it's doing, and enough distance for a poorly timed panic reaction time to an unexpected event, re-engge the drum clutch, you can operate the winch as per the TMs until you become comfortable enough with it's operation to try "close querters maneuvering" such as now, with the cable already wedged.
Operating this winch is a two soldier job. There's no regulations in the civilian world, so they often get operated single handedly, but you NEED to be on top of your game. Practice first before it's truely needed, recruit soldier B if it's at all possible, and by all means keep that screwdriver handy so that when you're done, you can "park" the winch drum that last little distance (whatever you're comfortable with) to leave the cable "locked" so it doesn't unspool, WITHOUT having to wait for the crunch to tell you that you're out of cable and now pulling the chain through where it doesn't fit...
 

1stSarge

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Quotes from the -10 manual:
• Ensure front winch drive shaft shearpin is aluminum. The shearpin is a safety device designed to shear when drive forces are excessive. Use of shearpin materials other than aluminum may result in injury or death to personnel and damage to equipment.

a. Move winch clutch control lever (11) to OUT position (toward left side of vehicle) to disengage winch drum (14).


You can see the parts breakdown in the -20p manual as well as the -34 manual.

I know the illustrations in the manual are poor in this area, so here are some pics that will answer the concerns here. Does this clarify things?
 

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