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84 M1009 Blackout lights only 24v?

BigDenise

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Hey, I'm a newbie. Just starting out on my restoration. I am switching my starter back to a 12v and I'm wondering about the blackout lights. Can they still run on 12v or do they need to be run on the 24v system? It may be a dumb question but I'm figuring this out on my own here. One of the grill lights is missing and as I'm looking to order one, I'm noticing they are listed as 24v. Any help is appreciated!
 

3jumpjeep

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Hey, I'm a newbie. Just starting out on my restoration. I am switching my starter back to a 12v and I'm wondering about the blackout lights. Can they still run on 12v or do they need to be run on the 24v system? It may be a dumb question but I'm figuring this out on my own here. One of the grill lights is missing and as I'm looking to order one, I'm noticing they are listed as 24v. Any help is appreciated!
Blackouts lights are in the bumper.
Only one blackout drive light is in the grill on the left side. The grill opening on the right is for the 24v NATO slave port used to jump start vehicles.

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If you're restoring it then prioritize the blackout lights last- you don't need them to have a functional truck and unless it's completely dark outside you can't tell if they're on or off.

Get a voltmeter and see what voltage is present at the light when it's on. You'll need a voltmeter anyway.

Starter *back* to 12v? They came from the factory with a 24v starter. Before you can ask detailed question you'll need to determine whether your current electrical system is stock, 12v modded, partially modded, or totally bubba'd up.
 

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Welcome to Steel Soliders

Why change the starter to 12v?
Are you converting it?
The stock system works very well when properly maintained.

The more non-stock things you do to it, the less the TMs will help you.
Same for help on this site as the majority leave their trucks stock.
 

ken

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The BO lights are 12volt. Everything but the starting system is 12 volt, unless you have a M1010. Just wondering, why would you want to switch to a 12 volt starter?
 

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Hey guys, why the push back on switching to 12 volt? Why is that so bad?
Well your generally on your own on repairs once it is hacked-up . With a stock set-up you can post on here and someone will walk you though a fix , thats not going to happen after it is converted to 12v. In my opinion (and I beleive the opinion of many others on SS ) it also lowers the value of the truck.
 

scottladdy

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Hey guys, why the push back on switching to 12 volt? Why is that so bad?
24V is also a better option to run the starter from. Diesels need a minimum cranking speed to start. And the 6.2's/6.5's being IDI require glow plugs to start as well. You need a lot less current to run the starter than 12V.

Maybe not too important if the truck will always live in SC. But if you ever find yourself up my neck of the woods in January you might just appreciate the difference.

All the best!
 

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My truck is all original and runs like a champ.
Starts everytine all the way down to -6. (Coldest night last winter).
It's driven daily.

Keep It stock, buy the best parts you can afford and keep up with maintenance.
Take care of it and it will take care of you.

Start messing with original design and most of the time, according to old threads, problems arise.
Like mentioned, your on your own once you enter all 12v land.
 

glaser06

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Blackouts lights are in the bumper.
... The grill opening on the right is for the 24v NATO slave port used to jump start vehicles.
And run various tools. Like a roboimpact impact wrench :D

Hey guys, why the push back on switching to 12
volt? Why is that so bad?

You're in the CUCV Forum with all the purists. Try posting this in the CUCV Hot Rodding section. 12V makes starters and glow plugs easier to find and TS electrical issues a little easier (IMO, I don't notmally use the TMs) but it'll be more or less specific to your truck. :)
 
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Barrman

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Nothing I own MV wise is 100% stock. I have no problem making something different to fit my specific needs. I have 5 6.x powered vehicles on the road pretty much every day. Here are my observations:

The 3 24 volt starter trucks all start no matter the conditions or how long since they last ran almost as fast as I can release the key from the start position. As in I am in the habit of turning the key to start and letting go immediately.


The 2 12 volt starter trucks go R R chug, chug, chug... on start up. It is noticeably slower start up in any condition. I actually have to think about it in those trucks so I don't just flick the starter like in the 24 volt trucks. One of these engines I first test fired with a 24 volt starter. Instant start on 24 volts and 1-3 seconds of cranking on 12 volts.

That is a day to day difference. What about if the glow plugs ever start going out or the filter gets air in it or it is allowed to run out of fuel. Basically, any situation that required a lot of cranking to get things working again? A 12 volt starter on 2 800 plus CCA batteries in 70° weather probably won't be able to crank the engine over enough to get it primed again. I am referring to 10-12 second burst, wait a few minutes, 10-12 second burst, wait a few minutes, repeat until it runs. Forget about it in extreme cold or hot weather. A 24 volt starter with the same batteries can do it with ease. Just not twice within 5 minutes I have found.

I can't speak for the other posters in this thread, but the above if why I am pushing back at you about going away from a 24 volt starter system. It works better. I plan to convert one of my 12 volt vehicles over to 12/24 as soon as I can figure out mounts for a second alternator in a serpentine belt system. 24 volt starting works better.
 

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There wasn't any push back on my part. I was just wondering why you would want it that way. I have a couple civi trucks with 6.2's and didn't see a advantage to converting to 12 volt. They don't start any better than my M series trucks. I'm not telling you not to do it. I was just wondering what you were thinking.
 
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