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Don't think it will hold up well to the heat but curious if anyone has done it.
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Marquee is not ultra flat, and seems to scuff easier. I've had zero issues with 180-220 grit over everything, then spraying 4300. No adhesion promoter or anything.
The ONLY spot on any of my trucks that is flaking, is the door sill, which is a high wear area since I'm constantly stepping on it, and inside the box of my M1031 where the fuel fill is, where I couldn't sand well, and wasn't able to degrease well. I basically painted over diesel....
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It will quickly lose its color. My black turned pink within a couple hours of use.
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I have not had any issues with the heat and the Behr paint. Seems to hold up well on the exhaust too.
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Hey, 3rdmdqm, until someone who actually knows pipes up here, my understanding is that only specially formulated high-temperature paints
are really going to hold up properly on high-temperature surfaces.
There are some rattle-can options.
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What is this 4300 you're referring to?
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4300 is Behr Premium Plus Exterior Flat Deep Base.
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Shows Ultra vs Marquee
Trucks below are done in 4300 - M1031 had about 4 years on the paint, and the M1010 had close to 7 years, when the pics were taken. The second pic is the same M1010 in the first pic, but many years later.
4300 is ultra flat, and about the same texture as CARC.
I found Marquee and Ultra Plus (or whatever the higher grade above 4300 is) tends to be more a semi-gloss, and not truly flat.
The Marquee especially seems to have built in flow control agents which flatten (texturally) the paint considerably.
Trucks below are done in 4300 - M1031 had about 4 years on the paint, and the M1010 had close to 7 years, when the pics were taken. The second pic is the same M1010 in the first pic, but many years later.
4300 is ultra flat, and about the same texture as CARC.
I found Marquee and Ultra Plus (or whatever the higher grade above 4300 is) tends to be more a semi-gloss, and not truly flat.
The Marquee especially seems to have built in flow control agents which flatten (texturally) the paint considerably.
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I wonder how Dynasty would perform?
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I pulled up some datasheets. I wanted to look and see if in fact you're right that the cheaper Behr Premium has better flatness than what is supposed to be Behr's flagship product, Marquee(well now they have Dynasty...it just came out within the couple of years).
BEHR Masonry Exterior Flat:0-6
BEHR Dynasty Exterior Flat :0-6
BEHR Pro e500 Exterior Flat:0-3
BEHR Pro e600 Exterior Flat:0-5
BEHR Premium Plus Exterior Flat:0-5
BEHR Ultra Exterior Flat:0-6
BEHR Marquee Exterior Flat:0-6
It's only flatter by an extra degree but damn...you are right. Is one unit really that noticeable? Also it's important to note that when BEHR measures the gloss unit they are using white paint. What I find interesting is how e500 is actually flatter than any of the other ones. The only thing to keep in mind is it doesn't appear to be made with any kind of additives for scratch/mar resistance. You can see there isn't even a durability performance section in the e500 sheet.
As far as durability between the main contenders go nothing sets them apart in the data sheets..they all get a "pass" on the abrasion tests which is disappointing...doesn't give you any real idea of their limits. When you said Marquee seemed to scuff easier are you certain it just didn't cure enough?
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Possible. The 4300 was well cured. The Ultra Plus and Marquee were tested after about a week.
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Oh..well that settles that then. It takes 30 days for these paints to fully cure.
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The texture on the Marquee was all off compared to CARC, and as mentioned, it was significantly glossier.
The e500 is exterior, which means it's supposed to be able to handle the elements, and the lower gloss factor may be interesting. Might be a good experiment.
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Well I think it goes without saying it's not going to feel exactly like CARC. CARC is a polyurethane and also has chemical resistant additives(unsure if that affects texture). It's also typically sprayed with a conventional spray setup where BEHR is a latex paint and many people here brush or spray it on using an airless sprayer. I'd be curious to see what these BEHR paints would look like coming out of a conventional setup. And well, e500 is already optimized for spraying so there's that too.
But fair point...since it is marketed as an exterior paint you would think it should have a degree of special durability. I'm just a little weary because they aren't touting any kind of durability like they do with Premium, Marquee or Dynasty.
So far I have now heard two techniques in this forum for replicating the CARC texture well using BEHR:
One is to brush or spray it on and then finish it with a rolller for proper fine stipple
The other is to try adding your own abrasive material...you can buy fine silica sand (the fine grit in cement/concrete) on Amazon. I'd be curious to see what the ideal ratio would be for doing this.
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I just called Behr to ask them about using e500 vs Dynasty. They said there's nothing better than Dynasty currently as far as durability goes. Especially the 10-year guarantee against UV fading.
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here's mine.
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Looks great. Have any trouble getting them to look up the paint codes ?
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M978 HEMTT painted in Behr 383 CARC substitute. Looks good and "pops" with the black rims in contrast.
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Looks great. Which Behr product did you end up using and how did you apply it?
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I've used Premium Plus, Ultra, and Marquee and end up going with Premium Plus more often than not. The higher you go in the branding/"quality" the more glossy they become. I've had lengthy discussions with my local Behr rep and even the flattest Marquee is still an eggshell (in gloss) in comparison to a flat Premium Plus. This truck was done in Premium Plus.
I use an airless sprayer by the 5 gallon bucket. I find it easier and more consistent on spray pattern than using air. Overall I found steam cleaning, Ospho treatment, good rinse, and light spot primer to be the best means to prepare a vehicle for paint. A paint is only as good as the material it can adhere to.