Chinookpilot77
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No, of course the 105 frame wont be as strong as the deuce frame.
I do understand your position on the oak spacer between the rails of the bed and the frame, but I would think that in order for the frame to twist, without the bed twisting at all, would have required every bolt on the bed to be the spring set up. (save number 4 which could be a solid bolt.) by bolting a 4ft section of the 105 frame under the deuce frame this would actually allow MORE flex than was previously attainable with the prior set up.
Now, if this is a good or bad thing with the 105 frame perhaps not being tempered is another debatable topic, but everyone seems concerned that the torsion would be limited when using a 4ft section of frame, and yet, many times I have seen the entire 105 frame on top of the deuce frame, and not utilizing the spring bolts....I would have to think that would limit torsion to a greater degree than what I am attempting. I think the forward mount of the rear spring will be forward of bolt 2, perhaps half way to bolt 1. The bed will begin almost at the axle as this is a bobbed shortbed quadcab project. the cabs will of course be full floating.
Again though, perhaps if my set up causes more flex it will only work against me further in regard to the 105 frame section.
I appreciate your input, thank you for taking the time to debate this with me. I still intend to drive on as planned, I will post pictures of the entire project soon.
I do understand your position on the oak spacer between the rails of the bed and the frame, but I would think that in order for the frame to twist, without the bed twisting at all, would have required every bolt on the bed to be the spring set up. (save number 4 which could be a solid bolt.) by bolting a 4ft section of the 105 frame under the deuce frame this would actually allow MORE flex than was previously attainable with the prior set up.
Now, if this is a good or bad thing with the 105 frame perhaps not being tempered is another debatable topic, but everyone seems concerned that the torsion would be limited when using a 4ft section of frame, and yet, many times I have seen the entire 105 frame on top of the deuce frame, and not utilizing the spring bolts....I would have to think that would limit torsion to a greater degree than what I am attempting. I think the forward mount of the rear spring will be forward of bolt 2, perhaps half way to bolt 1. The bed will begin almost at the axle as this is a bobbed shortbed quadcab project. the cabs will of course be full floating.
Again though, perhaps if my set up causes more flex it will only work against me further in regard to the 105 frame section.
I appreciate your input, thank you for taking the time to debate this with me. I still intend to drive on as planned, I will post pictures of the entire project soon.
on this wonderfully insightfull and deeply intellectual conversation, I personally do not like the idea of double framing. I know quite a few people here have done this with great success, but my first thought was "If this is the way to go Uncle Sam would have already done it." I am also not a big fan of lift blocks. I know they get the job done, and there is nothing wrong with it, but I'm a big fan of the K.I.S.S. plan of action. 
I leave you all with this.....Lift blocks, double frames, yada, yada, yada.....all add up to more components, more engineering issues, more legal issues, more reliablity issues, issues, issues, issues..............?
