Brakes Deuce what is wrong with this picture

[frank8003]

So I am adjusting, cleaning, checking, repacking bearings and such.
I get to the right front and find minor adjustment screw turns makes zero difference on rear shoe. Open it up to find rear shoe stuck, will not move. I learn a lot on SS with the pictures.
So what is wrong with this picture.

 

[Jeepsinker]

You are turning them the wrong way. The way you have them there they are adjusted all the way down, and if they are pushing the shoes out, they won't stay.

 

[Rmtaunton]

X2
The forward adjuster (towards the cab)

With rachet or wrench on top of axle pointing up needs to be pulled towards the front ( towards the cab) to tighten

The rear adjuster (towards the Pintle )

With the wrench on top of the axle pointing up needs to be pulled towards the rear (towards the pintle to tighten) to tighten

you should start with the bottom adjustment lower left , gap it to twenty then move to upper left gap to 10 , then move to lower right then upper right etc.

 

[Rmtaunton]

Ill find TM

 

[Rmtaunton]

View attachment brake_adjustment_189_644.pdf

 

[SP5]

Also, you may want to check in the -20, concerning the return spring placement. I believe that both ends of the return spring are to be hooked into the elongated slot that the anchor pins ride-in.
In your #1 picture, the left-hand of the spring is in a hole above the slot, this makes the spring crooked, and have less return force. It's also riding on the WC.

 

[Warthog]

And the shoe on the right look very thin

 

[bonedoc]

Also, you may want to check in the -20, concerning the return spring placement. I believe that both ends of the return spring are to be hooked into the elongated slot that the anchor pins ride-in.
In your #1 picture, the left-hand of the spring is in a hole above the slot, this makes the spring crooked, and have less return force. It's also riding on the WC.

X2 on this when I first looked at it but I don't have enough knowledge or experience to comment on that.

 

[clinto]

So I am adjusting, cleaning, checking, repacking bearings and such.
I get to the right front and find minor adjustment screw turns makes zero difference on rear shoe. Open it up to find rear shoe stuck, will not move. I learn a lot on SS with the pictures.
So what is wrong with this picture.

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The only thing that's truly wrong is the spring placement. The adjusters were either turned the wrong way or you turned them farther than they needed to go and they "started over".

If I were you, I'd put at least one new shoe, maybe both. I would move the return spring to the correct location. I would also check to make sure the shoes can easily pivot. Verify the retainers aren't messed up or too tight-the shoes need to easily pivot on the lower and upper mounts.

You are turning them the wrong way. The way you have them there they are adjusted all the way down, and if they are pushing the shoes out, they won't stay.

I suspect you're correct but I guess it's possible he was going the correct direction and once he went past the highest spot, the adjuster "fell off" the shoe.

Also, you may want to check in the -20, concerning the return spring placement. I believe that both ends of the return spring are to be hooked into the elongated slot that the anchor pins ride-in.
In your #1 picture, the left-hand of the spring is in a hole above the slot, this makes the spring crooked, and have less return force. It's also riding on the WC.

You are correct. See image below:

And the shoe on the right look very thin

It's definitely thin. I don't remember what the minimum thickness is, but they're .333" thick when they're new.

 

[DeucesWild11]

I know what's wrong with the pic, somehow you got the hub off with the axle shaft still in place.. wow that's some David Blaine stuff right there..

 

[frank8003]

brake show widgets

OK OK So I liked that David Blaine too

All the screws got turned the right way, just had to work a bit to get the drum off due to faulty brake part installation the last time it was done...
So I follow the TM 9-2320-209-20-3-2 and brake show parts placement still escapes me.



So I see whomever it was last time that put the spring on wrong, what a turkey to get it off, then maybe they lost some parts somewhere as this rear shoe was bound up good.


So I can not see what goes where and delve into it finding TM 9-2320-361-24P for a better picture.


So I have brake shoe fastener parts in the photo and between the two TM's I still can't see what is obvious to everyone else.



This stuff is hand assembled so what is the special retaining tool as in TM 92320 209 3-2 page 13-55?
Please help tell me where the little parts go with the two special pins. Top pin gets the spring but am unclear which way part 17, the dished stamped steel washer in the 24P depicted goes together.

and the wheel cylinder is trashed

 

[SP5]

It's been a long time, but IIRC, the cupped washer went between the shoe and the backing plate, on the lower guide pin.