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Sorry, it fails in one area. Amount of room between the front bumper and my legs in the event of a front end collision with an enemy 3/4-ton vehicle and some crunchies.
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Past lead design engineer for GM/MVO and 3 tours SEA/RVN as a maroon beanie prior to that. That enough experience?Tanner said:...And as a supplier to the guys building the newer trucks, most of the engineers I've met thus far have never been in combat, nor have they done work beyond textbook theory...emmado22 said:TACOM designs EVERYTHING thats related to anything with tracks or wheels on it...
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Unfortunately, given the design packaging parameters (also the reason the wrecker is a dud) we had to deal with, a COE was the only option to fit all the 1472 specs, the airdrop/airtransport, and VCI requirements into one vehicle, leaving your ONLY option as cutting your legs off if you do not like it....maddawg308 said:Sorry, it fails in one area. Amount of room between the front bumper and my legs in the event of a front end collision with an enemy 3/4-ton vehicle and some crunchies.
Needless to say...I'm looking forward to the day I'll be driving Libby with the hybrid Allison MT 653 / MT 654 & the a Marmon Harrington MGV 75R transfer-case! Then the only electronics in my off-road vehicles will be....My Ipod!The GM/MVO (TTC truck) actually outperformed the S&S and the Teledyne truck but cost roughly (as I remember) 15-20% more than the S&S truck,
You are welcome. That was more thanks in one statement than I recieved when I finally came home. End of story.ARMYMAN30YearsPlus said:Bob:
First off thank-you for your service and for supporting Soldiers.
I did not mean to down talk the truck and we are firmly committed to them as our primary medium truck now. Go back to 1982 I was a transportation 2nd lieutenant in a truck company who loudly complained that our medium trucks offered no protection to my 64 Charlie now 88 Mike drivers from snipers or fragmentation. Sure the Army bought these and the design was approved but it did not get sent to the field for trials. Back then the dollars were being used to upgrade the M1 fleet and build Bradley fighting vehicles.
I used to take the three worst Soldiers in the company out with MILES gear and set up an ambush while the rest of the company was doing convoy training. We could kill every Soldier in the convoy with confirmed MILES kills before they could get out of the cabs of the trucks. We got tired of this and then just killed the NCO's so I could see what the Soldiers would do to treat causualties, collect CEOI's and send in a SITREP.
My point was back then and still is that the design did not take into account what every line operator knows and that is that sheet metal and glass will not stop a snipers bullet. This risk was the Army's decision and it made me think of ways to counter sniper fire by designing add on armor out of steel plate and sandbags. I grew up the son of a combat Soldier from WWII and knew they took actions to replace windsheilds with steel plate and harden their trucks.
The real problem is not with the design we have it is that the real requirements never made it to the drawing board. I still face this twenty-six years later in Korea where we have soft skin vehicles in a place we may have to fight tonight. It is a risk that Secratary Rumsfeld summed up. We fight with the Army we have not the one we might like.
The success in armoring these trucks in Iraq and Afghanistan is legandary in the way the replacement cabs save Soldiers. So all in all we have a truck that is off road capable to a lesser degree with the armor but these trucks put way more miles on the roads than off of them.
I would have prefered a renovated fleet and an increase in the HEMMT fleet as they are way better trucks
BobS said:No past truck can perform up to the specification of FMTV in VCI/offroad mobility according to the test parametrers issued by TAACOM..........quote]
Are these requirements ever made public? It's easy for us hobbyists to overlook features required in new vehicles when we enjoy "roughing it".
cranetruck said:Unless it is for a classified program, all RFQ"s (Request For Quote) from DoD and other agencies are all published in the Federal Register for public notification with classified sections (such as the EMI/EMF requirements) deleted and marked with the classification level. The FMTV program RFQ and RFP's (Request For Proposals) are not online due to the age of the program (1979 was the first RFP that Teledyne respnded to, and the program was awarded in 1992). All was before the public use of the Internet. I still have copies of the original at home (I am in Portland, OR not Detroit right now) somewhere.BobS said:No past truck can perform up to the specification of FMTV in VCI/offroad mobility according to the test parametrers issued by TAACOM..........quote]
Are these requirements ever made public? It's easy for us hobbyists to overlook features required in new vehicles when we enjoy "roughing it".
Marines use the 7 tons as the primary mover of troops. We have a version called the "armadillo" just for troops and protecting them. Sorry, No pic. this time.cranetruck said:David, what percentage of the time are the trucks used to transport troops?
It may be a sensitive number, but the obvious point is that there should be a (possibly) new category of trucks, "armored cargo carriers".
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