Changes to the classifeds

[3dAngus]

Do like e-bay. 30 day listings, OP can add questions and their answers to the listing, but no-one else can add anything. Buyer and seller told to use feedback system.

There's your solution.

Everybody wins.

 

[Recovry4x4]

Another thing for all to consider is the fact that you can request the forum to send a PM or an Email. Most of the time you need to send an email to Gimpy as his PM box is full. If there is something urgent that I'm looking to buy I often send both.

 

[papabear]

Do like e-bay. 30 day listings, OP can add questions and their answers to the listing, but no-one else can add anything. Buyer and seller told to use feedback system.

Seems like the best system to me, also cuts down on clutter.

 

[ODFever]

Mods: Please edit or delete this post if it violates any rule or regulation. I just want to illustrate my point using a situation that directly affected me.

I'm thankful that others are allowed to post on classified listings. I currently have an open ad for CUCV lock cylinders. In post #3, Recovry4x4 clarified the purpose of the cylinders. I'm grateful that he took the time to add that information to my listing, and I feel it helped better establish the differences between the OEM lock cylinders and the ones I have for sale.

Just out of curiosity, have the mods/admins considered imposing penalties or infractions on the individuals that have poached sellers?

 

[patracy]

Just out of curiosity, have the mods/admins considered imposing penalties or infractions on the individuals that have poached sellers?

How would we enforce that?

 

[ke6rwj]

IMO,

you have to think about electronic postings he same as the tried and true "bulletin board notice" where someone leaves a note with a number. Then the communications take place outside of the governorship of SS. Which is what you want. There are a couple points to reinforce this..

1) if SS is facilitating communications where someone rips people off, sells stolen gear, absconds with payment or other nefarious law breaking, they could be party to a lawsuit. Regardless if they are "guilty" it will drain resources to defend it.

2) The "contract" to sell and negotiation of it should be private, this is an agreement between two people not for SS and certainly not the public to know about.

3) if someone "undercuts", offers a lower price, or "attempts" to snipe someones "deal" who exactly is to blame? The person who tried to get in on the deal like everyone else, or the seller who didn't honor the "first come, first served" unwritten legal "contract". Either way it isn't SS responsibility to "police" the selling and buying behaviors of its members.


Bottom line here is this.. "what is the purpose of SS?" to allow people who enjoy Military "stuff" to exchange resources.. either knowledge, goods or services.. period. anything beyond that drains SS resources away from keeping its primary mission alive.

People have a problem where they try to use "popular" mechanisms to reinforce personal or adjunct beliefs or ideas on others, even when enforcing those will reduce the primary mission of the "popular mechanism". if your good at some things, it doesn't make it ok for you to try and enforce everything else.

Stay focused on your core mission, leave the rest for someone else.

allow only the poster to comment, allow others to send a PM for information or offers.

 

[ODFever]

Patracy - I see your point. The poaching is done through PM's. The only way it could be enforced is if it were reported to you or the mods, and that alone is not effective. Enforcing morality and ethics is not easy.

 

[gimpyrobb]

Another thing for all to consider is the fact that you can request the forum to send a PM or an Email. Most of the time you need to send an email to Gimpy as his PM box is full. If there is something urgent that I'm looking to buy I often send both.

I resemble that remark!

 

[SteveKuhn]

Things have tightened up a bit recently, and I think that was an improvement. I'd be disappointed to see it go the EBay direction. I've actually learned a lot from reading some of the more substantial dialog in classifieds. Sometimes a WTS/WTB brings out comments that wouldn't get a thread in the main forums and the followups have helped me remember stuff that I was looking for and didn't move on at 1st.

Steve

 

[Recovry4x4]

Things have tightened up a bit recently, and I think that was an improvement. I'd be disappointed to see it go the EBay direction. I've actually learned a lot from reading some of the more substantial dialog in classifieds. Sometimes a WTS/WTB brings out comments that wouldn't get a thread in the main forums and the followups have helped me remember stuff that I was looking for and didn't move on at 1st.

Steve

I hear you Steve and mostly I agree. If everyone that used the classifieds was brimming with good character I could see it remaining the way it is. Sadly, when the forum or community gets to this size, we get some bad apples. The other things is that the good info ends up going by the wayside when the ad gets deleted.

Gimpyrobb, sorry if I offended you, it's just that when I hear something about a full PM box, I think of you!

 

[gimpyrobb]

No offense, I know I don't clear it out enough. Between buds BSing and selling crap and talking folks through issues with their trucks, I run about 25-30 unread PMs all the time. Most of the time I read them in my email and forget to do anything in the PM box.

 

[patracy]

Bump, anyone have any other comments? I've not seen any reasoning to not do this?

 

[Vintage iron]

I am for the changes as long as they are applied to for all for sale ads , classified and vender. WTB ads should still comments.

 

[papabear]

Bump, anyone have any other comments? I've not seen any reasoning to not do this?

 

[porkysplace]

I am for the changes as long as they are applied to for all for sale ads , classified and vender. WTB ads should still comments.

Wanted to buy ads should be included . Just the ad post and use PM's with one bump every 7 days like the rule is now , but people refuse to follow. If people can't manage their PM box how are they going to manage their ads ?

 

[patracy]

I have enacted the following change to the classifieds.

Users are not allowed to reply to for sale ads. The wanted ads are still able to be posted by any member, and replied by any member. That may be subject to change if it turns into a "that's nice" outbreak of needless posting. The pay it forward section is also wide open as well.

 

[patracy]

Bump, still a lot of people unaware of the change.

 

[porkysplace]

Bump, still a lot of people unaware of the change.

Has it changed back to being able to post in the ads ?
The reason I am asking is this ad with posts going back and forth overnight ;
[h=1]M923A2 for sale[/h]

 

[patracy]

Has it changed back to being able to post in the ads ?
The reason I am asking is this ad with posts going back and forth overnight ;
M923A2 for sale

Fixed.

 

[Robo McDuff]

Missed the thread til today (@#$#@ time difference), read through all of it, saw that every comment or reply I came up with while reading had already been posted a page later. Finally came to the end of the thread ... after Patracy had bumped a few times and made the change ().

The one question I did not see answered is how much Valium Patracy has been taking while discussing these web things here as not lose his patience and stay polite .