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Educate Me, RT-70/AM-65

BigRix

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I ran across this at a cool warehouse full of a pickers stash of goodies. Did enough research last night to find out it is a RT-70 with a AM-65 amp with spring loaded mount. I know nothing about military or ham radios, so keep that in mind.

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He mentioned having the original decommission paperwork as well. Looks mint. I didn't have more time to check it out but should be able to soon and wanted to gather info before I returned.

Questions.

Were these de-milled before being sold? As in, made unusable?

What vehicles would you find these in?

I've seen that they were part of a larger radio but do they work by themselves?

What's a good price to offer on one of these, working condition unknown?
 

SCSG-G4

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You might have better success on Yahoo Groups - mil radio (or one of it's many variants), even though there are several people here that are quite knowledgeable on military radios.
 

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These were used in the (very) older generation GRC series radio sets to help bridge the gap between the armor guys who ran down in 20-28 Mhz and the infantry guys who were all running up in 40 something to 50 range. Basically, you would add an RT-70 to your already staggering supply of radios in your vehicle and it provided a low power FM set that would let you directly speak to your accompanying infantry guys who were using the PRC-10 or PRC-6 radios. Additionally, the AM-65 also provided an interphone amplifier (intercom system) for your vehicle if you needed it.

I have had a few of these in the past, we used them to sort of bridge the gap between our transition from modern radios to period correct radios for Operation East Wind. When they run, they are pretty decent little sets but with the 100 KHz steps, we had a bit of a hard time talking to sets that were much more modern than they were. We could talk ok to RT-67s, but attempts to talk to the P-126 radios (we were attempting to use these to substitute for Soviet vehicle radios) were largely fruitless.

Additionally, they are all getting pretty old and we were seeing a fairly high failure rate with them so it soon became obvious that we were just as well off sticking pack sets in the vehicles till we could finally source the correct P-123 radios for them.

I have never seen one that was demilled. I don’t think the army much cared about that sort of thing at the time. They pop apart pretty easily, just separate the two halves and unlock the Dsus fasteners on the front then the shell comes right off of them. They are just about completely stuffed with tubes and gadgetry, you ought to rapidly notice if something was yoinked out.

As far as use goes, just check the power supply module on the back end of the AM-65 and see what voltage it says it is. (tag on the front is supposed to say this too but always double check) then apply the requisite voltage to the supply plug pins (you’ll have to look the configuration up, I do not remember it), next see if there is already a jumper wire on the multi pin plug in the middle of the AM-65 (again, don’t remember which wires but most of the ones I got were already jumped), then with the doggy bone cable plugged between the two sets. Plug in a handset or speaker. Flip the power switch to intercom and listen for the vibrator power supply to start buzzing. Once it’s up power wise you should be able to hear yourself speaking across the side tone when you hit the PTT and talk on the handset. If so, your AM-65 is looking good.

Next, flip the power switch over to the RT-70 position and adjust your volume and squelch till you can hear something. If you get a rushing noise in the handset that changes when you turn the dial you’re likely to at least be at a starting point. Now just go learn about radio and get your HAM license…
 

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That radio could either be part of a larger system such as the AN/GRC-3 through AN/GRC-8 sets, or it could be used alone. The one in your picture looks like it has the correct mounting base for a standalone installation. As mentioned above, look inside the AM-65 to see which plug-in power supply is installed, since the set could be configured to operate from several different voltages.

If it is working, then it is still capable of operating with modern military and amateur radio equipment with some limitations: Its deviation is much wider than modern sets, so you would need to turn up the volume and back away from the microphone to compensate. It doesn't have the tone squelch used in later military radios, so newer rigs need their tone squelch turned off to hear the RT-70. Its frequency stability isn't as good, so tuning will be touchier. But it is a neat set, and it is not too hard to work on by anybody who knows how to work on older tube radios. Manuals are around, and they thoroughly explain how the radio works inside.

Edited to add: That radio could be appropriate in a mid to late 1950s vehicle. They were probably in use much later than that, but newer radios were being fielded by the time the Vietnam war was well under way.
 
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nf6x

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By the way, the AM-65 is also an interphone amplifier, filling the same role as the VIC-1 did in later systems. The AM-65 can be used by itself without the RT-70, with or without other radios. There were many different sets that included the AM-65. Here is a summary of most of those sets that I put together back in 1999:

1950′s Vehicular Radio Sets » Mark's Green Pages

I should probably revamp it to require less clicking.

If I wanted that pictured set and I had to make the first offer, I think I would offer $100 as a middle of the road number.
 

BigRix

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Well he was asking $125 and I tried to talk him down and he didn't bite. Went back today to look at some other stuff he had and turns out he put it up on ebay and sold it for $280.

Wasn't really something I could use in my truck so I hope it is going to a good home.
 
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