Free Fuel for the Deuce?

[patracy]

New barrel pumps are $300-500, used can be a bargain or need major repair. You *could* spend less, but waste more time rigging, fixing and making it work.

If you added up everything you spent you would probably have closer to $500 in it than you think.

But if you have a source for $100 barrel pumps, let us know.

I think my estimate is accurate. From my own experience and reading others. If you can do a one off setup for $150 then I would say that is the exception, not the rule.

Sorry, could only come up with $60 pumps. Probably less with a sale paper too.

12 GPM Air Operated Barrel Pump

 

[patracy]

And a little fancy-er piston driven pump for non sealed containers. Still under $100.

AIR BIODIESEL WVO WASTE OIL BARREL DRUM PISTON PUMP | eBay

 

[chicklin]

I've got 25 gallons of WMO for free here in the KC area if anyone wants it.

 

[doghead]

New Pump, for under 100 clams Air Operated Oil Pump with Suction Pipe

 

[mastergunner53]

Well, i have a M109, after i acquired it i went to the diesel injection service in San Bernardino, Calif. They have been there for 50 years!!! I told him i want to filter wmo and wvo to run in my truck.
He promptly and repeatedly told me DO NOT RUN BIO FUEL!!!!!!
and after i questioned him a little more, he repeatedly and promptly said again DO NOT RUN BIO FUEL!!!
Then he whipped out a box of parts and dumped it on his counter and said all that black junk and gunk is from bio fuel on a deuce military injector pump that is 90 days old!!!!!!!
Well, i promptly and repeatedly said O.K. and Im sorry for questioning his experience!
He had me use Stantadyne injector treatment additive and said run it and tell him how i like it.
So, i did and i felt and heard good improvement after 1/2 tank of fuel!
I only run DIESEL FUEL!!

 

[paulfarber]

While I generally am not a HF or Northern Tool hater, I would not use any of their pumps. I tried 2 and both went back within two days.

These are what I would consider baseline:

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Handles small solids (trash in the bottom of a barrel). And I would safely say they they make rated capacity.

If you can get HF pumps to stay operational and heavy oil then consider yourself lucky. My experience has been abysmal.

 

[paulfarber]

Sorry, could only come up with $60 pumps. Probably less with a sale paper too.

12 GPM Air Operated Barrel Pump

This air operated barrel pump fits drums with 1-1/2" or 2" openings and will transfer approximately 12 gallons per hour of oil and other non-corrosive fluids. The 40" long x 1-1/4" suction tube provides ample reach into the barrel. The pump has a 10 PSI maximum working pressure and safety air valve.

10 PSI working pressure?!?!?!?!

You are pressurizing the barrel. NO WAY I put 10PSI into a 55gallon drum. Plus you have to be able to seal the drum.

http://www.eetcorp.com/products/press_drum.pdf

Read that for all the bad things that can happen.

If you get 12GPM out of this I want to see a video.

 

[paulfarber]

New Pump, for under 100 clams Air Operated Oil Pump with Suction Pipe

FAIL!

"Output, Gallons Per Minute 1.7"

If you can get the rated capacity out of this I want to see a video.

 

[paulfarber]

The air pump I listed has a max of Maximum GPM: 14.00 that PER MINUTE!!!! 14*60= 840 gallons per hour.

So as I said, a good air pump is $300-500. Unless you have an hour to stand there and pump out a single drum?

 

[gimpyrobb]

In filtering wmo, you will not get 14gpm. That is a free flow measurement.

 

[patracy]

Wow, you've always got a chip on your shoulder Paul. Notice the second post had a link to a non pressurized tank/drum pump. But alas, I know that would have required you to read and not allowed you your typical fly off the handle gloom and doom response. You asked for sub $100 links, I provided them, now you complain about them.

BTW 10psi MAXIMUM working pressure. It has safety valves and should be ran well below that pressure anyhow. Reading is fundamental.

 

[Jump Start]

When my son was overseas I filtered used transmission fluid and put it in his M35, it started and ran great. Had a rough smell but ran swell.

 

[A/C Cages]

I get free WVO fuel all the time from all the local mecahanic shops around me.
I have to run it thru filters and centrifuge but other then that, its free.
Best part is, they bring the 5 gallon buckets and 55 galllon barrels of it to me.
I also get mixed diesel and gas from one mechanic who does mostly fuel tanks. He empties the tanks to work on them and cant by law put that same fuel back into it...Another weird EPA law.

OOps I meant WMO from mechanics not WVO. Sorry

 

[Ferroequinologist]

He empties the tanks to work on them and cant by law put that same fuel back into it...Another weird EPA law.

Opps, guess I shouldn't have put the 400 gallons of diesel I drained out of the locomotive here at work back in the tank after draining it to replace the leaking drain valve...

I've been burning anything and everything in my deuce, m818, and 2004 dodge 2500 for years. Haven't had any issues, except for some mistery oil that I got from Builder77 (Ethan) years ago. It smoked a whole lot in the m818 and gave me crappy power. I never did figure out what it was. I have a blenders license and I pay taxes on the fuel burned, whatever that amount happens to be...

 

[Josh]

FAIL!

"Output, Gallons Per Minute 1.7"

If you can get the rated capacity out of this I want to see a video.

I would say there estimate is way off. On a mid 50's day, I can fill a jerrycan in 1-2 minutes max with that pump. I filter it right into 5 gallon cans then into the truck as my aircompressor cant keep up with the pump. I should be needing to refill my saturday, Ill gladly make ya a video if I remember.

Btw, Im into my entire filter setup less then 150 bucks(no including replacement filters) and have ran almost 1200gallons of WMO through it. I replace my $11 filter every 2-3 drums depending on the line pressure. Works out to be aproximetly 4 cents a gallon.

 

[mikey]

Well, i have a M109, after i acquired it i went to the diesel injection service in San Bernardino, Calif. They have been there for 50 years!!! I told him i want to filter wmo and wvo to run in my truck.
He promptly and repeatedly told me DO NOT RUN BIO FUEL!!!!!!
and after i questioned him a little more, he repeatedly and promptly said again DO NOT RUN BIO FUEL!!!
Then he whipped out a box of parts and dumped it on his counter and said all that black junk and gunk is from bio fuel on a deuce military injector pump that is 90 days old!!!!!!!
Well, i promptly and repeatedly said O.K. and Im sorry for questioning his experience!
He had me use Stantadyne injector treatment additive and said run it and tell him how i like it.
So, i did and i felt and heard good improvement after 1/2 tank of fuel!
I only run DIESEL FUEL!!

This debate will never go away. To each his own and I'm sure not going to sway you on switching from diesel fuel. However, I'd take the word of a deuce owner over a mechanic any day. There are guys here with thousands of miles on WMO and no problems. I just scored 935 gallons of WMO. That's $3973.75 worth of diesel. If I go through that and need a new engine or new parts because of the WMO, that's fine. I spent $3,800 buying my two deuces.

Deuces run better on diesel, that's a fact. But I'll put up with a slight loss of power, more smoke and slower starting to save $4k.

Mikey

 

[Josh]

Oh I should mention, I have around 12,000 miles on a 90% or higher blend of WMO.

 

[paulfarber]

Wow, you've always got a chip on your shoulder Paul. Notice the second post had a link to a non pressurized tank/drum pump. But alas, I know that would have required you to read and not allowed you your typical fly off the handle gloom and doom response. You asked for sub $100 links, I provided them, now you complain about them.

BTW 10psi MAXIMUM working pressure. It has safety valves and should be ran well below that pressure anyhow. Reading is fundamental.

You are making a NON-ARGUMENT with NON-FACTS.

I *NEVER* made any statement against the piston pump.. only the ones that had OBVIOUS issues in either flow rating or operation. Attack me for not cirticizing something that has nothing to criticize against? Run with that.


I will say that they list a 3-12gpm rating. Can they get a more random number? Any old barrel pump is good for a 8-10GPM with modest RPM input from your arm.

Then never mention CFM, only PSI. Most of the name brand piston pumps require nominal 8CFM. That's out of the range of most single lung oil less units. Rule of thumb is 2CFM per hp for single lung pumps. Problem is that most hp ratings on the motors are so fake that you have to divide it by half and still be off.


And if you are going to trust a HF regulator or safety valve then you really don't have a clue. Safety valves stick, regulators blow a diaphragm... you know, all that high quality Chinese engineering we all talk about. No way should you pressurize a steel (or even better, a poly) drum. If you think 4PSI is going to move motor oil at 10GPM then set it up and make a video. I wanna see that.

Oh, and the guy on ebay... yeah... I trust random sales people with a complete vested interest in getting me to buy their product.... no bias there.

Can you really be THAT naive?

I await your childish rebuttal of hoe mean I am. If you have FACTS then lets hear them. If you have anything else, not interested.

 

[paulfarber]

I would say there estimate is way off. On a mid 50's day, I can fill a jerrycan in 1-2 minutes max with that pump. I filter it right into 5 gallon cans then into the truck as my aircompressor cant keep up with the pump. I should be needing to refill my saturday, Ill gladly make ya a video if I remember.

Btw, Im into my entire filter setup less then 150 bucks(no including replacement filters) and have ran almost 1200gallons of WMO through it. I replace my $11 filter every 2-3 drums depending on the line pressure. Works out to be aproximetly 4 cents a gallon.

Yeah, I video would be great. If your compressor cannot supply enough air then how is it operating at above specified flow?

If you have a decent shop with 'standard' garage tools then yeah, you can get down to less than $500. But if you have a wimpy compressor then you are looking at an electric motor. And how do you get the oil?

Just saying you spend $150 to filter does not include getting the oil (remote pump?) Storage?

You probably have more money into it than you realize.

I spent $30 to 'filter'. And $200 on tanks. $30 on piping. $25 on an oil pump. $50 on a barrel pump. About $50 on paper towels. Fittings, hose, pipe clamps etc etc that puts me just under $500 and I have a rather complete garage.

 

[patracy]

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