Front winch removal and teardown

[Mario]

Did anyone document (or film) the removal and teardown of the front winch on the M925 or M936A2?
Mine is stuck and it's leaking.
Doesn't look too terribly hard, but don't want to re-invent the wheel if a video about it is out there.

 

[simp5782]

Garwood Front Winch

Is there a maintenance TM specifically for the front winch? I am needing to disassemble my winch and replace a couple seals but cant find the break down/build up of winch. I found how to remove/install it from the truck, but nothing on the winch specifically. Any help is greatly appreciated.

www.steelsoldiers.com

 

[Mario]

Garwood Front Winch

Is there a maintenance TM specifically for the front winch? I am needing to disassemble my winch and replace a couple seals but cant find the break down/build up of winch. I found how to remove/install it from the truck, but nothing on the winch specifically. Any help is greatly appreciated.

www.steelsoldiers.com

thank you.

 

[Mario]

Took just a bit of searching, so I figured I'd post here and save the next person a few minutes.
I found a good diagram in the 209-2320-272-34P-2 manual.
Starting at figure 381.
It has nice diagrams and complete parts lists.
https://www.xm381.com/TMs_Files/TM%209-2320-272-34P-2.pdf

Since I was specifically looking for a seal on the non-powered side, mine is figure 387. "Front Winch Basic, Drum and Related Parts.", and I should need part #34 5330-01-119-5801 10875107-7 19207 SEAL,PLAIN ENCASED

 

[charlesmann]

I think that is the same seal i need. I attempted to service with lucas oil stabilizer and danged if that thick stuff didnt leak out, im guessing till it go below the bad spot in seal.

I did look in the winch tm for disassembly and it references the tck tm and tck says winch. Someone forgot to inform the other, they werent putting the teardown procedures in the tm

 

[Mario]

I think that is the same seal i need. I attempted to service with lucas oil stabilizer and danged if that thick stuff didnt leak out, im guessing till it go below the bad spot in seal.

I did look in the winch tm for disassembly and it references the tck tm and tck says winch. Someone forgot to inform the other, they werent putting the teardown procedures in the tm

Yup.
If you look at the TM I posted, it has a very, very nice breakdown and part numbers to boot.
I need to look at it again, but at first glance, it looked like the powered and non-powered sides listed different seal numbers.

 

[charlesmann]

Its the same as what wes posted on my query on winch manuals.
I just wish the maint manuals actually explained the teardown and instal better than it does.

 

[Mario]

Need to locate TM 9-2320-272-20-2
Anyone got one they can share?

 

[charlesmann]

@Mario any luck on tearing the winch apart?

 

[Mario]

@Mario any luck on tearing the winch apart?

Yes. It took a bit of doing, but she's all apart.
The other seal (smaller one) is ripped as well, so now I'm trying to locate it.

Whacha need? The winch is apart, so any pictures or parts are easy enough to photograph and send over.

 

[Mario]

For others that are looking at seals.
The smaller seal on the shaft: 387 31 PAFZZ 5330-00-740-9697 7409697 19207 SEAL,PLAIN,ENCASED

After some digging, here is what I found:

Federal Stock Number 5330-00-740-9697 Equivalent Replacement Oil Seal

Mechanidrive makes it effortless to shop for the Federal Stock Number 5330-00-740-9697 Oil Seal you need at the best deals! Our gigantic stock of hard to find Federal Stock Number Oil Seal gets you the parts you want quickly with Free same-day shipping and 24/7 professional industrial seal...

mechanidrive.com

Also, looks like Timkin 486567 is a fit:

https://www.bdiexpress.com/us/en/Sealing-Devices/Oil-Seals/486567/p/1345244

And one shop said that this SKF 85X110X10 CRW1 R is close enough: https://www.motionindustries.com/products/sku/00605520

 

[charlesmann]

Yes. It took a bit of doing, but she's all apart.
The other seal (smaller one) is ripped as well, so now I'm trying to locate it.

Whacha need? The winch is apart, so any pictures or parts are easy enough to photograph and send over.

I was just curious how things were going with the tear down. Im gonna have to dive into a crane winch gearbox and cable drum since I'm leaking gear oil from the gb and the non powered side, the bearing looks to be worn out since its wobbling in the mount. unfortunately, the bearings and seals don't pop up on the vendor's sites. but I'm gonna take a gander at the federal stock number link you provided.

Im gonna overhaul one front winch and one crane winch, then pull my winches and replace them with overhauled ones, then overhaul the pull offs. good thing i bought two of everything when i got my truck.

 

[Mario]

Just go slow on the non powered side.
You have to work the dog legs out, but it all comes out.
I did have a problem with stuck key, still need to clean up the chewed up edges.

 

[Aubreynsmith18]

Took just a bit of searching, so I figured I'd post here and save the next person a few minutes.
I found a good diagram in the 209-2320-272-34P-2 manual.
Starting at figure 381.
It has nice diagrams and complete parts lists.
https://www.xm381.com/TMs_Files/TM%209-2320-272-34P-2.pdf

Since I was specifically looking for a seal on the non-powered side, mine is figure 387. "Front Winch Basic, Drum and Related Parts.", and I should need part #34 5330-01-119-5801 10875107-7 19207 SEAL,PLAIN ENCASED

Do you happen to know about a TM that includes a front winch that is only pto driven not hydraulic? Mine is a 2U512

 

[simp5782]

Do you happen to know about a TM that includes a front winch that is only pto driven not hydraulic? Mine is a 2U512

It's the same winch. The 939s just use an adapter on the output shaft the 809 series driveshafts hook to.

 

[Aubreynsmith18]

It's the same winch. The 939s just use an adapter on the output shaft the 809 series driveshafts hook to.

Thank you very much. So the 809 series... would that 809 be in the serial number? Another question. Would those two series have the same seal around the input shaft that mine would have for the drive shaft driven series? Sorry if I seem ignorant to these winches, never dealt with these. Here are some pictures of what I have to verify we're on the same page. Also would they have the same seal on the rear of the gear box? I'm assuming the part that looks like flywheel (for lack of better words) is so you can switch it around If you need you input shaft to the left side. Thanks again.

 

[simp5782]

Thank you very much. So the 809 series... would that 809 be in the serial number? Another question. Would those two series have the same seal around the input shaft that mine would have for the drive shaft driven series? Sorry if I seem ignorant to these winches, never dealt with these. Here are some pictures of what I have to verify we're on the same page. Also would they have the same seal on the rear of the gear box? I'm assuming the part that looks like flywheel (for lack of better words) is so you can switch it around If you need you input shaft to the left side. Thanks again.

M809 is the series of the trucks

Winch stuff starts at figure 473 in the link below.

What you seek is in figure 474 #24

m939 parts 2.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[charlesmann]

Do you happen to know about a TM that includes a front winch that is only pto driven not hydraulic? Mine is a 2U512

try this TM. TM 9-2320-260-34P-2 it shows the pto dive shaft and chain

for the above mentioned tm i posted, Fig 380, item # 59 P/N: 17657/55-542465 and NSN 5330-01-150-9691
and for additional P/Ns try this link, already on the above mentioned NSN https://www.wbparts.com/rfq/5330-01-150-9691.html

Both the TMs Simp and myself posted, show the same P/N which also shows as a p/n on the wbparts link

 

[charlesmann]

@Mario

looking at the TMs i have, the driven side (driver side, drum lock and free spool/engage handle) or non powered side as you called it, TM 9-2320-260-34P-2 FIG 380 item # 7 P/N 10875107-7 NSN 5330-01-119-5801 and in the tm link you provided TM 9-2320-272-34P-2 FIG 387 item # 34 large seal, seems to be difficult to source, even with the FSN web link you provided. Big Mikes show to be sold out, but he has the small seal fig 380 item # 41 and fig 387, item # 31 small seal, which cross references to the FSN link you posted. Were you ever able to locate the driven side seal? Did you by chance take measurements of the seal?

 

[Mario]

@Mario

looking at the TMs i have, the driven side (driver side, drum lock and free spool/engage handle) or non powered side as you called it, TM 9-2320-260-34P-2 FIG 380 item # 7 P/N 10875107-7 NSN 5330-01-119-5801 and in the tm link you provided TM 9-2320-272-34P-2 FIG 387 item # 34 large seal, seems to be difficult to source, even with the FSN web link you provided. Big Mikes show to be sold out, but he has the small seal fig 380 item # 41 and fig 387, item # 31 small seal, which cross references to the FSN link you posted. Were you ever able to locate the driven side seal? Did you by chance take measurements of the seal?

Sorry it took a while to get back to you. I wasn't getting notifications.
This is what you're looking for, correct?