Georgia Title Law Changes: Need assistance from GA and other States Members

[sigo]

GA would not title my 1952 M38 even though I purchased it with a valid OH title. I am a currently serving Soldier that decided to own historic military vehicles not only to preserve history for the public to see, but also for my fellow service members to appreciate our link to those that came before us.

Great work you're doing for all of us Swiss.

 

[swbradley1]

Fundraiser for the military:
http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showth...ank-You-Foundation-Event&highlight=foundation

Fundraiser:
http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showthread.php?104354-Dayton-Quaker-Steak-and-Lube-Events-(2013) post 27 and 49

Can't forget Sarge:
http://lonestar-mvpa.org/events/2005/05_Katrina.htm

 

[swiss]

Here is my contribution to the list of why I own military vehicles and most importantly my M1009 in tribute to my brother and nephew.

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showth...Swiss-s-CUCV&p=1398102&viewfull=1#post1398102

 

[SCSG-G4]

Steve, I'll send you mine in an e-mail, since it's a little large for posting on the site.

 

[F18hornetM]

Is it a question about the age of the vehicle [historic] or MV's in general in Georgia? Maryland just changed the laws on all our historic tags and made trucks have to be 25 years old. This is mostly due to the abuse of passenger cars and junk trucks being driven everyday and tagged historic. I believe there should be an exemption for Mvs as even fairly new ones represent something special. Good luck.

 

[poppop]

I used my M813 to haul all the old Vets in the Brooklet Peanut Festival Parade. I also used my M151 to pickup Santa Clause and deliver him to downtown Brooklet for the lighting of the Christmas Tree. Santa was one of my High School Teachers and a past State Commander of the national Guard. He was thrilled when I showed up because the fire truck had a call and the Town called me.

 

[poppop]

Then there was this years Peanut Festival.

 

[swiss]

Where is the Wounded Warriors link that used to be on the main page of the site?

 

[ABN173]

I am a Georgia property owner in Columbus, I am also active duty military. I have not done much with my M35A2, and my CUCV besides the occasional parade/veterans event. I did use my truck for a Do it yourself move (DITY) from FT Lewis, Wa to FT Rucker, AL (TDY) to my final destination of FT Bragg, NC. I have a thread for that, but I'm not sure that is the kind of information you need, or is it?

-Dale

 

[zout]

F18HornetM - please check this thread for specific information on what the issues are. There is also a thread by Wisconsin members who just got their Bill passed dealing with this identical issue:

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showthread.php?110761-Getting-a-BMY-M923A2-titled-in-Georgia

What is being requested on this thread are details that can be brought to this meeting to represent our hobby to get anything 1986 and later titled in GA. If you think you have a 1986 and later unit already titled re-read the above thread - you may find yourself without a registration and title in the near future without this Code of Regulations changed - same as Wisconsin did.

Any response to the above please post the questions on that thread - please keep this thread ONLY to the requested information and or specific links to aide in gathering all this data later (before next week's meeting). Thank you.

 

[zout]

SteelSoldiers 2nd Annual Wounded Warrior drive fund:

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showth...ldiers-2nd-Annual-Wounded-Warriors-Fund-Drive

 

[zout]

SteelSoldiers 1st Wounded Warrior Drive Fund:

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showth...al-Fund-Drive-Benefiting-Our-Wounded-Veterans

 

[zout]

Desire and ability to assist in times of disaster if needed - from a former thread:

BradBMI
11-04-2012, 01:50
All

Just wanted to post this note. I live in Queens NY a few miles from Manhattan. Some areas especially Staten Island were devistated. The local people amd others from the area and the country have sent so much to support the peop[le of NY we really appreciate it.

There is a ton of supplies here thanks to all. I was running 3 of my 5 ton M923's during the hurricane helping the police and FD get thru the 5-6 feet of water.

FD and PD trucks were stuck. I cant tell you how many trucks we pulled out with the M923's they are a beast of a truck!

Went thru the water pushed floating cars out of the way and rescued 122 people from the area that was under water and on fire. best thing i did was to buy from GL!

Had the hemtt deliver generators and run thru the rubble over the on land sand bars and was a real sucess.

I never saw such devistation before. As of today they are still finding bodies in the houses.

So for everyone out there....A duece or 5 ton being available can save lives. Beleive me without the 5 tons i had the fd and pd would have had to wait for the water to receed.

Good luck to all and thanks for the thoughts and prayers

Brad

 

[zout]

I do not rememebr this but I am sure a lot of you will (Katrina & Sarge)

Sarge from the Mil-Veh list posted this. It is his account of his relief efforts. http://lonestar-mvpa.org/events/2005/05_Katrina.htm​

 

[zout]

Lest we not forget the request from Officials for having members of SS come with their MV's to support their Memorial Day Ceremonies as well @Conyers @Roswell etc etc etc:

WTHancock
05-16-2011, 21:30
Hello everyone,
I would like to invite everyone to the Memorial Day Parade and Ceremony in Rome, Ga. I am a member of the group that plans this parade and I would like to let everyone know about it. We have uniforms for all of the major conflicts from the American Revolution through the Persian Gulf Conflicts. We also have flags from all 50 states. We invite folks to come wear our uniforms and carry the flags in this parade. The parade begins at 3:01 pm on Monday May 30th. The displays begin at 10:00am. We have living histories and displays in a small grass park as well. You can see our past parade pics at http://www.romanlegionltd.com/ (http://www.steelsoldiers.com/www.RomanLegionLtd.com)
I apologize for the short notice, but I only found out about this site over the weekend. We would love to add some more vehicles to our parade for our veterans to ride in. Also, your impressions are welcome, or bring the family and carry a banner or flag and join us in remembering our fallen heroes.
Thank you,
Bill Hancock

NOTE: I can not get the link to work. If you type it in or type it into a search engine it works. You can also just scroll down to the post by 1958 M274. He has included a working link. Thanks guys. I hope to see some of you there.
And remember, everyone is invited to bring the family with them and walk in the parade or watch this unique parade.
Bill H.

 

[zout]

At times Families of the fallen requested the Patriot Guard to attend - also getting at times MV's involved not for themselved but to specifically honor the fallen:

RangerBob
07-01-2012, 16:34
Looks like a busy month. In all of these, the family has asked, requested, or invited the PGR. The families wishes for the PGRs roll in the service is always spelled out.

SHORT NOTICE - Phillip A Iker, 62, USA, Vietnam Veteran, Calvin, OK, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827838/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - Jimmie Lee Powell Jr., 49, USAF, ODS Veteran, Pensacola, FL, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827822/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - James "Don" York, 72, USAF, Korea Veteran, Campbell Station/Osceola, AR, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827821/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - Carlisle 'Papa Goose' Frederick Bryant, USMC, WWII/Korea Veteran, Slidell, LA, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827686/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - Gary L. Edwards, USA, Vietnam Veteran, Wagoner, OK, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827454/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - Leslie N. Ferguson, II, LEO, Kilgore, TX, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827438/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - Scy Banks, USA Veteran, Canton, GA, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827437/view/topic/Default.aspx)

James T. Williams, USMC, Korea Veteran, Schuylerville, NY, 05 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827435/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - Austin Lance Lawther, USA, Vietnam Veteran, Islip, NY, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827434/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - LTC (Ret) Jesse Taylor, USA, WWII/Korea/Vietnam Veteran, Higginsville, MO, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827433/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Fred Zumalt, USAF Veteran, Branson, MO, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827412/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - Farrell "Rick" Sanborn, USMC, WWII Veteran, Easthampton, MA, 02, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827393/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - Terry "Pop" Salter, USA, Vietnam Veteran, Hueytown, AL, 01, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827352/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Norman W. Cadaret, Jr., 81, USMC, Korea Veteran, Riverside, CA, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827348/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Charles C. Pace, Jr., USA, WWII Veteran, Manchester, NH, 06 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827344/view/topic/Default.aspx)

John "Jack" Beckham, USA, WWII Veteran, Dubach, LA, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827055/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - Bobby Bagby, USMC Veteran, Ashland / Grayson KY, 01 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827025/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Carlton E. Greunke, 86, USN, WWII Veteran, Pensacola, FL, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827024/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - Samuel John Harris, 25, USMC Veteran, Dubuque, IA, 01,02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827023/view/topic/Default.aspx)

CW2 (Ret) Warren Henderson, USA, Korea/Vietnam Veteran, Prattville, AL, 02,03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827020/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Harry Stein, 85, USN, WWII Veteran, St. Petersburg, FL, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827016/view/topic/Default.aspx)

American Heroes, St. Petersburg, FL, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827012/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Eugene Henry Kaehler, USA, WWII Veteran, Grand Junction, CO, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827010/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Edward Joseph Dwyer, USAAF, WWII Veteran, Grand Junction, CO, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827009/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Albert Callaway, 82, USA, Korea Veteran, Pekin, IL, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1827008/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Harold R. Allum, 84, USN, WWII Veteran, Riverside, CA, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826750/view/topic/Default.aspx)

David Carsten Helms, USA, OEF Veteran, Florissant, MO, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826739/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Nicholas Rodriquez, USA Veteran, Jamestown, NY, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826730/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Juan Legarreta, USA/OKANG, Iraq Veteran/LEO, Broken Arrow, OK, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826651/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - MSgt (Ret) Thomas E. Fisk, USAF, Vietnam Veteran, Mountain Grove/Norwood, MO, 01, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826646/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - John A. Baldree, 102, USA, WWII Veteran, 01, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826607/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Richard Young, 77, USA, Korea Veteran, Denver, CO, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826592/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Cpl Nicholas Haskett, USMC Veteran, LaFollette, TN, 02 JUL 12 / TBA (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826572/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Trevor Gould, USA, OEF Veteran, Fulda, MN, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826565/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - CPO (Ret) Jimmy Roger Barber, USN Veteran, Luthersville, GA, 01 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826561/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Frederick Ray Barnett, USN/USNG Veteran, Bakersfield, CA, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826557/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Kenneth Ray Richard, 78, USAF Veteran, Denver, CO, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826276/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Eldon Funte, 66, USA, Vietnam Veteran, Clarion, IA, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1826235/view/topic/Default.aspx)

MSgt (Ret) Steven Craig Wittmaack, 64, USAF Veteran, Riverside, CA, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825942/view/topic/Default.aspx)

1LT Warren Moxley, USAAF, KIA WWII, St. Louis/Charleston, MO, 01, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825940/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Joe M. Garcia, 89, USA, WWII Veteran, Colton / Riverside, CA, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825908/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Thomas J. Boyle, Jr., USMC Vietnam Veteran, Chicago PD (Ret), Spooner, WI, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825825/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Robert L. Romano, USAAF, WWII Veteran, Dewey, AZ, 14 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825815/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Perry K. Gather, USA, Vietnam Veteran, Pangburn, AR, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825685/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Jacob Rhode, 29, USMC Veteran, Ramsey, MN, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825625/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SPC Jacob Thomas Rousse, USA, Grand Junction, CO, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825313/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Two (2) American Heroes, USM & USA, Vietnam Veterans, Sarasota, FL, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825221/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Michael David Copeland, USMC Veteran, Dallas, TX, 30 JUN 12 / Durant, OK, 01, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825195/view/topic/Default.aspx)

American Heroes, Bridgeville, PA, 11 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825178/view/topic/Default.aspx)

LtCol (Ret) Kenneth Ray Atkins, USAF Veteran, Jasper/Canton, GA, 06 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825156/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SSG Matthew J. Leach, 29, Ferndale, MI, TBA (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1825149/view/topic/Default.aspx)

James Ansell, Jr., USN Veteran/LEO, Hot Springs Village, AR, 30 JUN 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1824848/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Edward J. Carrick, Jr., USN Veteran, Sarasota, FL, 01 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1824739/view/topic/Default.aspx)

James Burnett, USANG/PGR, Milwaukie, OR, 08 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1824678/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Joe Urzua, USA Veteran, Campbell, CA, 08 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1824640/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Ernest Ross Babe, 70, USN, Korea Veteran, Wilmington/Bear DE, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1824468/view/topic/Default.aspx)

George VanShoonhoven, USMC, USA, Vietnam Veteran, Springfield, OR 30 JUN 12 / Eugene, OR, 01 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1823686/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SHORT NOTICE - LCpl Steven P. Stevens II, 23, Chesterfield, Southfield, MI, 29,30 JUN 12 / 01, 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1823256/view/topic/Default.aspx)

LCpl Eugene C. Mills III, 21, Laurel, MD, 02, 03 JUL 12 / ANC, 11 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1822180/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SGT Jose Rodriguez, 22, Newman, Gustine, CA, 30 JUN 12 / 02, 03 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1821614/view/topic/Default.aspx)

Lt Col Dennis Lee Eilers, USAF, KIA Vietnam, Tipton, IA, 30 JUN 12 / ANC TBA (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1821409/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SGT John D. Meador II, 36, Columbia, SC, 28 JUN 12 / TBA (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1820979/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SFC Matthew B. Thomas, 30, Greenville / Easley, SC, 29 / 30 JUN, 01 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1820978/view/topic/Default.aspx)

PFC Jarrod A. Lallier, 20, Spokane, WA, 28 JUN 12 / 02 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1818956/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SMSgt (Ret) Christian "Dale" Neidigh, Jr., 58, USAF Veteran, Beavercreek, OH, 21 JUN 12 / Lancaster, PA, 04 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1818557/view/topic/Default.aspx)

SSG Nicholas C. Fredsti, 30, USA, Miramar, CA, 18, 21 JUL 12 (http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/1817523/view/topic/Default.aspx)

 

[EMD567]

WOW- 67 names.

 

[USAFSS-ColdWarrior]

WOW- 67 names.

That's but a handful of the many, many who have given all.....

 

[undysworld]

I just noticed this thread. Nice job accumulating stories about uses for the vehicles.

A couple thoughts to add, based on the crap we had to go through here in Wis.

Due to state's reciprocity agreements, people from other U.S. states can legally drive their former military vehicles in Georgia, but you folks who live there, pay the taxes, and vote, cannot??? How is this fair?

If the vehicle came with an SF-97 form from the U.S. govt., then the U.S. govt. intended that the vehicle be titled, licensed, and operated on public highways. If that vehicle already has a U.S. state title, then GA should recognize it. Article IV, Sec. 1 of the U.S. Constitution requires each state to recognize every other U.S. state's records and judicial proceedings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause This is what keeps the 50 states working harmoniously together, rather than always squabbling over a marriage license or other items.

Fed. regulations require each state to maintain and use an Instant Title Verification Process, so they must immediately determine if a title is legitimate, whenever they get an application with an out-of-state title.

Mid-'80s MILSPEC documents specify that vehicles built to US govt. contracts MUST MEET FMVSS as a design specification, including 5-ton variants and below.

All vehicles built for US govt. are exempted from the FMVSS-Certification Label requirement, even though they were required to meet FMVSS. Cert. Labels did not exist prior to 10/'69, so no earlier vehicles have the labels either.

In Wisconsin, the Dept. of Administration conducts appeals over other regulatory agencies' decision/s (like DOT's). We appealed several cases through this system, and DOT's decisions were overruled. GA may have a similar venue. In WI, you do not need to hire an attorney to do this.

We're on the cusp of passage of a very lenient collector law. If you would like to discuss things in more detail, I'm happy to discuss our efforts here. pm me for my phone #. What happens in one state definitely effects things in other states. We're coming out of this in very fine shape.

Good luck with your work.
Paul

 

[swiss]

I just noticed this thread. Nice job accumulating stories about uses for the vehicles.

A couple thoughts to add, based on the crap we had to go through here in Wis.

Due to state's reciprocity agreements, people from other U.S. states can legally drive their former military vehicles in Georgia, but you folks who live there, pay the taxes, and vote, cannot??? How is this fair?

If the vehicle came with an SF-97 form from the U.S. govt., then the U.S. govt. intended that the vehicle be titled, licensed, and operated on public highways. If that vehicle already has a U.S. state title, then GA should recognize it. Article IV, Sec. 1 of the U.S. Constitution requires each state to recognize every other U.S. state's records and judicial proceedings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause This is what keeps the 50 states working harmoniously together, rather than always squabbling over a marriage license or other items.

Fed. regulations require each state to maintain and use an Instant Title Verification Process, so they must immediately determine if a title is legitimate, whenever they get an application with an out-of-state title.

Mid-'80s MILSPEC documents specify that vehicles built to US govt. contracts MUST MEET FMVSS as a design specification, including 5-ton variants and below.

All vehicles built for US govt. are exempted from the FMVSS-Certification Label requirement, even though they were required to meet FMVSS. Cert. Labels did not exist prior to 10/'69, so no earlier vehicles have the labels either.

In Wisconsin, the Dept. of Administration conducts appeals over other regulatory agencies' decision/s (like DOT's). We appealed several cases through this system, and DOT's decisions were overruled. GA may have a similar venue. In WI, you do not need to hire an attorney to do this.

We're on the cusp of passage of a very lenient collector law. If you would like to discuss things in more detail, I'm happy to discuss our efforts here. pm me for my phone #. What happens in one state definitely effects things in other states. We're coming out of this in very fine shape.

Good luck with your work.
Paul

Paul I have been reading the work you have been doing and the Wisc fight in detail, I would like to talk with you and will PM my information. Thank you for the detailed response on the subject. !!!

Most Awesome Work that you and others have done!!! Hats Off