GL & HUMMVe

[Ma Duce]

Gl & hummwv

Ok after the FMV plate bill, I have started on a new project, outside of the bobber.

I need any info people have on the reason and timing that prevents hummves from being sold to the general public.

I don't need conspiricy theories or rumors. I need dates, times directives DoD orders and such. What ever the reason if it is on paper, i could use it for this little project, as some people in Washington are very interested in this. . .

 

[hndrsonj]

It's due to safety. It's in the demil manuals.

 

[86m1028]

It's due to safety. It's in the demil manuals.

It has nothing to do with "saftey"

It was an agreement between our government & am general.

 

[Bighurt]

I believe its HMMWV...

 

[doghead]

If the "interested people in Washington" have Internet access, they should have no trouble finding this. (as you should have).


And yes, this has been posted here on SS before(search...)

 

[pmramsey]

There are 32 early (non-turbo) HUMMVe trucks to go on the block via GL at Warner Robbins in 72-days. Some have 6.2 engines and others are 6.5 but all that I viewed had mechanical IPs...no computer driven stuff. None of the trucks are armored. Some have tarps...some are pickups, a few are slant backs...most are desert sand. However, there are some camo and three are a beautiful flat black in color. The trucks are currently in what GL calls "Stage 2" which means they are not open to the public. Local government groups (fire, police, etc) get first selection and at no cost to them I might add. Anything that survives Stage 2 will be placed on public auction. I believe we will see more of this specific type of older HUMMVe in the next year or so.

 

[doghead]

You've described DRMO protocol, not GL.

 

[hndrsonj]

It has nothing to do with "saftey"

It was an agreement between our government & am general.

The Aug 18, 1997 Demil manual (DOD 4160 21-M) Page 4-57G lists the vehicles that must be demilled due to public safety and not meeting FMSS standards. Look in (2) on page 4-60 and you'll see the HMMWV is there. There is a current manual which has changed a bit from 1997 but safety is the reason they were demilled in the first place.

 

[hndrsonj]

Anything that survives Stage 2 will be placed on public auction. I believe we will see more of this specific type of older HUMMVe in the next year or so.

Goverment Liquidation CAN NOT sell HMMWV's that aren't demilled.

 

[ryan77]

If there so dangerous why can they be sold to police departments, fire depts, municapal etc for road use? They will still be on the road among regular citizens!

 

[Ferroequinologist]

demilled equals smashed. Years ago in Portsmouth, VA, I witnessed a guy with a tracked excavator, get out, drive one up over a small pit, drain the fluids and take out the batteries. He picked it up with the excavator, moved it over some, and smashed it, threw it on a pile, while another guy would drive another one over the pit and 'process' that one too. Did about 20 that way in the 2hours I was there. They had it down to a science. I cried, not because I wanted to buy them, but WTF were they doing smashing RUNNING DRIVING trucks that MY tax dollars paid for. STUPID. Waste fraud and abuse.

 

[ryan77]

Theres a comercial lawn treatment company by me that has a fleet of military hummers outfitted with tanks and sprayers they use to treat big grass areas like the side of the highway etc. I wonder how they get them?

 

[doghead]

Here's a link to the DOD manual, for those interested, and can read.


http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/416021m.pdf

(2) “HMMWVS.” RTD is permitted. Sales of HMMWV s in their original military
configuration are not permitted. DRMS may pursue sales methods aimed at bringing these
vehicles up to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. Vehicles not released through RTDS​

will be mutilated in manner that prevents reassembly as a usable vehicle.

RTD Reutilization, Transfer, and/or Donation

 

[hndrsonj]

If there so dangerous why can they be sold to police departments, fire depts, municapal etc for road use? They will still be on the road among regular citizens!

Because they still belong to the DOD. The only legally sold ones were in the late 90's from the Marine auctions or pieced together ones.

 

[ryan77]

Because they still belong to the DOD. The only legally sold ones were in the late 90's from the Marine auctions or pieced together ones.

I understand that im just saying as a safty issue as threy state on the road! Im not frigin stupid i can read and search!!!

 

[hndrsonj]

Here's a link to the DOD manual, for those interested, and can read.


http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/416021m.pdf

There is a newer version out, but the HMMWV is still in it.

 

[pmramsey]

Goverment Liquidation CAN NOT sell HMMWV's that aren't demilled.

I spent 2-hours going through the vehicles last Thursday under GL escort. I realize not all GL personnel know everything. However, they allowed me time to review the trucks and DRIVE one of the black ones. It had been used for recruitment...nice black color with US Army...Army of One written in gold letters on the sides. I was allowed this access because they supposedly are to be open to the public. The trucks were still under control of DRMO and not GL. I am only reporting my experience at Warner Robbins from last week. I say lets wait 60-90 days and see what happens. Just as an FYI, a bunch of us were not asked to complete EUCs for the M931s that we purchased a month or so ago. Go figure. Almost anything can happen.

 

[hndrsonj]

I understand that im just saying as a safty issue as threy state on the road! Im not frigin stupid i can read and search!!!

Maybe they figure the policemen and firemen have been trained how to drive them??

 

[Ma Duce]

Dog --

there have been enough rumors about this, that I thought it easiest to ask, and my hunch was right, that the SS crew would be able to point to the sources of some of this.

Just what I needed to start things up.

Now the question is, was an Executive order? and order from the SECDEF? Someone had to make the decision, and finding where it came from will provide insight, to the decision making process, and the reasons for it.

One could suspect that it was just like the aircraft and Bell and surplus parts and their bottom line. It maybe liability. But either way, you have to have a starting point and with it, we can ask the right questions to get answers to lead to a change.

It is much eaiser to do the leg work for people on the Hill than to ask them to fix your pet peeve without the background to make it easier.

 

[nf6x]

Several hundred ex-USMC HMMWVs were sold as surplus back in 1999, through two dealer-only auction houses in Atlanta, GA and Riverside, CA. As I recall, USMC made the fiscally sound plan of trading them for new radios that they needed, and then the recipient of the trucks unloaded them through the dealer-only auctions. Nearly all surplus HMMWVs in US civilian hands came from this batch. USMC was punished for selling them intact (if I recall correctly, by being de-funded by the amount of money they saved), and the rules were tightened to prevent it from happening again. There were maybe a dozen civilian owned HMMWVs around before that, consisting of a few that slipped through the cracks and a few that were built from parts and wrecks.

I had the fortune of running into one of the very few people making real HMMWVs out of parts and wrecks before the big batch of USMC trucks came out, and I recall being excited to learn that they were almost impossible to get... because before that, word was that they were completely impossible to get. I nearly slipped in my own drool when I saw three HMMWVs being built in his yard, and learned that I could potentially have one someday if I made a large enough fortune!

Then the USMC trucks appeared on the scene, and suddenly it was possible to get a running, beat up but fixable HMMWV for a mere $20k or so. Knowing that it was probably a one-time deal, I found a way to buy one. The result is in my avatar picture, at probably about the $40k point in my project.

I wish you the best of luck causing intact surplus HMMWVs to once again flow into the hands of their first civilian owners, even knowing that increasing the supply lowers the value of my own truck. I will not hold my breath, though. I highly doubt that success will be achieved.