Got her running If you hand throttle it throttles up gas pedal it dies

[gtmustang196767]

Hey guys thanks to floridianson i got the deuce up and running or atleast idling, problem now is if i try to throttle it up with the gas pedal it immediately chokes out and dies, If i use the throttle lock on the dash to throttle it up it will throttle up, kinda lost here any suggestions, also after this happens i have to bleed an injector to get it to idle again, is it being over fueled some how by the pedal? it attempts to kick up but than it dies
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[cattlerepairman]

That is strange because when you follow the hand throttle cable, it attaches to the same cable that the foot pedal operates.

 

[daytonatrbo]

That is strange because when you follow the hand throttle cable, it attaches to the same cable that the foot pedal operates.

Exactly.

I wonder if he is just moving the pedal too quickly to give the same result.

 

[Jeepsinker]

What rpm is it idling at?

 

[frank8003]

What rpm is it idling at?

If you give more information the SS members will help you fix it.
Is there prior posts on this problem posted under something else?
Having difficulty following to solution, yep I am.
Pictures are good too.

 

[gtmustang196767]

It's idling at about 700 800, after letting it run for about an hour or so last night I was able to move it, but than all of a sudden it choked out again, tried to restart tons of thick black smoke out of the stack, eventually it cleared itself enough for me to handle throttle it to 1000 rpm so I could move it back into its home, i feel like it's getting to much fuel for some reason,

 

[gtmustang196767]

I also thinks it's strange because I do realize the pedal and hand throttle are linked. Eventually last night it wouldn't run good either way, sometimes rolling at 500 rpm and even with pulling hand throttle all the way out or gas pedal it wouldn't rev up

 

[Jeepsinker]

Was it running really rough and kind of sputtering?

 

[gtmustang196767]

After it would die yea, but when I let her idle she was smooth as silk,

 

[Jeepsinker]

The drive key on your hydraulic head is probably cracked. You'll have to pull the HH off of the pump to check it.

 

[gtmustang196767]

Would that explain the random choke outs? I could get it to rev all the way to 1500 sometimes no problem the more it ran the better it got and than puke, also id crack two injectors to get it going again and when I closed the second one it would die almost immediately

 

[Jeepsinker]

Yeah that sounds about right. The drive key is probably cracked on one side, allowing the plunger shaft to move to just slightly the wrong place, which throws off the timing of the injectors firing. I had one cracked and didn't know it. It would idle fine, but acted stupid under throttle. Got worse and worse until it completely broke and wouldn't run at all.

 

[gtmustang196767]

hmm interesting, it wouldnt have anything to do with my injector popping off under the 3k limit would it?

 

[Jeepsinker]

It could be a failing hydraulic head, or bad governor, but I suspect the drive key.
Almost certainly not injector related.

 

[gtmustang196767]

okay, now how do i check out the governor? everything was real seized up on the rig im wondering if the governor is seized up or not functioning correctly due to slude or something?

 

[gtmustang196767]

also if the drive key is bad do i just replace the hydraulic head or does that turn into the whole entire ip

 

[Jeepsinker]

If you think it is the governor, pour a gallon of kerosene in with the oil, run it for ten minutes, then shut it off and let it sit overnight. Change the oil the next day and see what happens. The kerosene will dissolve any sludge that may be sticking the governor weights. DO NOT run the engine over idle, or longer than 10-15 minutes with kerosene in the oil, or you will damage your bearings.

If the drive key is broken, it is a cheap and easy fix.

 

[frank8003]

The drive key on your hydraulic head is probably cracked. You'll have to pull the HH off of the pump to check it.

Holy Toledo do I learn a lot of stuff here!

 

[gtmustang196767]

okay, im gunna do the kerosene thing first than after that ill rip off the hh hoping maybe its the governor, Also Are there generic part numbers for the oil and fuel filters so i can get them from say the local napa or do i have to go through a supplier? wanting to have all the filters before i do the kerosene thing, and seeing as i only cleaned the fuel filters and re installed them so far im ready to spend the money on new filters all around.

 

[Jeepsinker]

All the napa filter numbers are in the deuce parts quick reference spreadsheet, located in the stickies at the top of the deuce page.

If the drive key is cracked, you'll have to pull the plunger spring off the bottom of the HH to get a look at it. On the other hand, if it is, or does completely break in two, the guts will fall out when you pull the head out of the pump (that's what happened to mine). It isn't a problem, it can only go back together one way.