Humvees making their way around the world

[tage]

Interesting, sounds like someone is taking advantage of us being a bit lenient with storage fees...

Have to crack down on those re-sellers!

 

[dmetalmiki]

Hmm..Well all the "Little Folk" ordinary collectors have been pushed out of the English (so called used to be) collectors web site!. There is just so much stuff from professional auction sites cluttering every thing up in just about every category.
Despite the site having a (supposed!) "Auction house and dealer" (only) page. I know people in the hobby me included that have not been able to sell anything for over two years! And I mean Anything..(golf-clio- generator- mutt- fridges!- M715- radios-Gamma goat the list goes on and on) There is a full blown downside recession in this market over here. So who in heck are all these big time dealers selling to over here? (rant over)

 

[KsM715]

Its just a matter of time before one shows up somewhere it was not supposed to be and the gov will have a cow. Just look at the TX plumbers Toyota truck that ended up in an ISIS convoy on TV.

ISIS already has a ton of our equipment. All that that we left to the rebels to use to fight only to have them turn tail and run off leaving it all behind.

 

[Suprman]

There are plenty of other places they can end up.

 

[redhawk_six]

Anything I have bought requiring a EUC required me to verify the buyer is a US Citizen and there is a form to capture who purchased the item. If you already had a buyer you had to indicate who they are when you submit the EUC. They went crazy over Bayonets, I cannot believe they don't care who you export to since they are not US citizens. Just saying they pestered the heck out of me about the names of who I sold to! There are folks outside the country that front others to purchase for them. That person is liable, not the guy outside the country. So there is always a reason someone else wants your name on it. Just saying!

Bayonets are weapons, soft top humvees are not. Soft top humvees have very few export restrictions, they are not ITAR controlled. They do fall under the commerce control list, hence the EUC, but are not export restricted to most western nations, meaning as long as you fill the EUC out properly, you can sell them out of the states. As I understand it, the main reason non-citizens can't buy them directly is because the EUC system is not setup to process applications by non-citizens.

 

[tage]

Hmm politics.

Too many middlemen. I'm curious about GB's surplus recession. I suspect more politics. It's a PITA to get american parts in EU, I don't see them as a hobby as in America. But who knows they all might end up going to Turkey, and gasp end up more south.

 

[Suprman]

I always thought they were more restricted for some reason.

 

[gottaluvit]

So the EUC is a complete waste of our time and tax dollars. Lovely!

 

[Another Ahab]

Hmm politics.

Too many middlemen. I'm curious about GB's surplus recession. I suspect more politics. But who knows they all might end up going to Turkey, and gasp end up more south.

So the EUC is a complete waste of our time and tax dollars.

It drives you nuts doesn't it? When we do STUPID, like it seems we sometimes do.

But i'm walking into the minefields here, so I think I'll turn around. Right now.

 

[gottaluvit]

It drives you nuts doesn't it? When we do STUPID, like it seems we sometimes do.

But i'm walking into the minefields here, so I think I'll turn around. Right now.

Don't worry, all the mines are just training units. You will only pee down your leg.

 

[Another Ahab]

Bayonets are weapons, soft top humvees are not. Soft top humvees have very few export restrictions, they are not ITAR controlled

It might be a matter of definition. The world is a complicated place.

There's a woman now in Las Vegas NV facing a murder charge and something like 60-70 counts of assault with a deadly weapon.

The weapon was a sedan, I believe.

I think it was a four-door. Two tone.

 

[REO 54]

There are tons of them listed on the European auto sites. Someone is exporting a lot of them.

Was as just reading the fine print at GP about de mill codes. Q is only allowed to be exported as scrap, which I believe the Humvees are coded for the most part.

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[h=2]DLA Disposition Services Demilitarization codes[/h]

A - Non-United States Munitions List (USML) / Non-Commerce Control List Items (CCLI) - No Demilitarization required. No Trade Security Control Assessment / Clearance required. Department of Commerce (FOC) may impose licensing requirements to certain destinations. F - United States Munitions List (USML) items. Demilitarization instructions to be furnished by the Item/Technical Manager/Equipment Specialist, however, Trade Security Controls (As set forth by the Department of State) are required at the time of disposition. Demilitarization will have been performed prior to issuing to the Contractor for purposes of the contract. Q - Commerce Control List Items (CCLI). Demilitarization not required, however Trade Security Controls (as set forth by the Department of Commerce) required at time of disposition. Trade Security Control Assessment/Clearance required. Mutilation to the point of scrap required outside the United States." Which makes me wonder. The military has left behind massive amounts of operating vehicals in all kinds of AO's, from Vietnam to Afganistan. However, if one I'd purchased in the US, it can't be exported whole. Wierd. Ah bureaucracy ......

 

[bikeman]

Was as just reading the fine print at GP about de mill codes. Q is only allowed to be exported as scrap, which I believe the Humvees are coded for the most part.

"

DLA Disposition Services Demilitarization codes

A - Non-United States Munitions List (USML) / Non-Commerce Control List Items (CCLI) - No Demilitarization required. No Trade Security Control Assessment / Clearance required. Department of Commerce (FOC) may impose licensing requirements to certain destinations. F - United States Munitions List (USML) items. Demilitarization instructions to be furnished by the Item/Technical Manager/Equipment Specialist, however, Trade Security Controls (As set forth by the Department of State) are required at the time of disposition. Demilitarization will have been performed prior to issuing to the Contractor for purposes of the contract. Q - Commerce Control List Items (CCLI). Demilitarization not required, however Trade Security Controls (as set forth by the Department of Commerce) required at time of disposition. Trade Security Control Assessment/Clearance required. Mutilation to the point of scrap required outside the United States." Which makes me wonder. The military has left behind massive amounts of operating vehicals in all kinds of AO's, from Vietnam to Afganistan. However, if one I'd purchased in the US, it can't be exported whole. Wierd. Ah bureaucracy ......

Couple things on this, Equipment not transferred through DLA would not have this code. The HMMWVs we have supplied have gone through Dept of State (DoS) transactions vs. DoD transactions.

In addition, stuff we are not (specifically MRAPs) are being mutilated in certain countries vs. paying for shipping back to the USA where there is no plan for them to stay in formations (certain models/variations/age/blown up too many times). But also saw vehicles that met Q codes in South Korea being destroyed vs. being sold. (shame as I was trying to buy a CUCV or M35).

 

[Plane Fast]

So has anyone on here been denied a EUC? (U.S.Citizen )

Also, it looks like the Off-road paperwork means nothing as well. GP had two HMMWV's resold (private sale) on there website with titles! IM NOT ASKING HOW ITS DONE!!! I'm just wondering if the hammer is about to fall.

I would not take much to ruin the hobby, and lose our supply of vehicles.

 

[gottaluvit]

I think the humvees should be treated like class III weapons. No resale, must be in your possession if inspection requested, and no sales to non United States citizens. Sorry, had to throw my opinion on the matter out there.

 

[Plane Fast]

I don't feel there is anything special about a HMMWV. It's no different from a big jeep. I see no reason for any restrictions. I just would like consistency in the sales.

 

[DanM7890]

I just want an easy way to title it. But that's a whole diff can of worms.

 

[gottaluvit]

I don't feel there is anything special about a HMMWV. It's no different from a big jeep. I see no reason for any restrictions. I just would like consistency in the sales.

Fully agree, if the EUC requirement was lifted! It's the fakeness being portrayed, that puts more burden/hassle on us, for no useful purpose. If we could teach government to make their yes be yes, and their no to be no, then maybe society would be better.

 

[redhawk_six]

Was as just reading the fine print at GP about de mill codes. Q is only allowed to be exported as scrap, which I believe the Humvees are coded for the most part.

"

DLA Disposition Services Demilitarization codes

A - Non-United States Munitions List (USML) / Non-Commerce Control List Items (CCLI) - No Demilitarization required. No Trade Security Control Assessment / Clearance required. Department of Commerce (FOC) may impose licensing requirements to certain destinations. F - United States Munitions List (USML) items. Demilitarization instructions to be furnished by the Item/Technical Manager/Equipment Specialist, however, Trade Security Controls (As set forth by the Department of State) are required at the time of disposition. Demilitarization will have been performed prior to issuing to the Contractor for purposes of the contract. Q - Commerce Control List Items (CCLI). Demilitarization not required, however Trade Security Controls (as set forth by the Department of Commerce) required at time of disposition. Trade Security Control Assessment/Clearance required. Mutilation to the point of scrap required outside the United States." Which makes me wonder. The military has left behind massive amounts of operating vehicals in all kinds of AO's, from Vietnam to Afganistan. However, if one I'd purchased in the US, it can't be exported whole. Wierd. Ah bureaucracy ......

I don't think that means they have to exported only as scrap, I think it means items physically located outside of the United States at the time of disposal can't be sold intact.

The reason for the EUC isn't to prevent export or tightly control the use of surplus soft top humvees like they're class 3 firearms, it's because they fall under a category on the Commerce Control List. The category they fall under isn't heavily export restricted, but they're still on the list, and there are place they cannot be exported to. Everything on the CCLI is subject to EUC's, as set out by the demil codes above.

As for security concerns of humvees being exported, why? As already said, the models being sold by GovPlanet, for the most part, are basically large jeeps. Armament carriers with intact turrets are considered weapons platforms under ITAR, and can't be exported for the most part, so all we're talking about really is soft-tops and helmet hard tops. And they aren't selling up-armored ones. I don't get the argument that they could end up with the IS or Taliban. They already have tons of the latest up-armored humvees they captured off the Iraqi and Afghani Army, why would they smuggle 20 year old beat up soft tops through Europe? Simple, they wouldn't, that'd be insanely wasteful and stupid, even for them. The ones be exported to Europe are probably mostly going to collectors or re-sellers. I think a few people here underestimate the demand for US vehicles on the European collectors market.

 

[Suprman]

The humvees are very popular in Europe. I have no idea why though. You can pick up a unimog there for half the price or less that you would pay for a bare bones humvee.