i am gonna be coming out with my family on suday, sounds like i need to get to know jwright. i have some electrical issues to deal with. hope to be parking mine soon so i can start working on it instead of driving it, until it is fixed up. I am also planning on joining the mvpa, maybe not sunday but if not then it will be at the meeting this coming wednesday. not sure if i am gonna drive my m1009 out sunday, depends if momma wants to ride in it or the van. lol. dave, thanks for the info over the phone. see ya'll sunday.