here is a brief summery I cut my teeth on the old m44 style trucks, and I love them the duce just looks bad a$$. if you want something more civilized and don't want to shovel snow off the hood in the morning, a cab that seals up, or a heater that works than go with the fmtv. If you don't mind the ride and want something with a timeless look the duce or 5 ton is for you I like them both, but where I drive mine every day summer and winter the lmtv gets my vote. As for the duce that couldn't out pull my pick up there was nothing wrong with it, all boils down to ground pressure just like tracks the more surface area less ground pressure I have a 350 deere dozer and a Thiokol 2100 snow cat they weigh the same one has longer wider tracks in soft terrain the snow cat pulls like a d-6 but on hard snow or ice the 350 has the edge both machines weigh the same.