loading Jeep in the bed of a deuce?

[Monster Man]

what I'm looking for is pictures or information on the standard method of vehicle loading into a deuce. Some sort of ramps? I want to make some styled like the originals (mostly because I know it would work then) to load my t-bucket in th bed. It's small enough it should fit with adequate room. I was thinking of putting heavy angle in the corners of the bed and running a reinforcing bar across the bottom with anchor points, and probably using some come-alongs so I don't have to rig any power up to a winch. Not sure I'd want to attempt driving it up into the bed!
Lance
Reno, NV

 

[fujinama]

That's a different story. If it's a jeep, then just pull up to a suitable burm, or back into a ditch. Then just drive up into the bed. I've done it a couple of times.

But, you are loading a car that I doubt would be able to make it without damage, so I don't know. The ditch would work if you could approach it in the car. Then, some short planks and you are ok. Harbor Freight had some ramps on sale with a 1600lb rating for loading a tractor into a pickup. Get two and you should have the capacity.

CF Bender makes ramps for car haulers. $$$$

 

[dilvoy]

I have thought of the same thing for years. I have an M36 long wheel base deuce. These were used to haul the carrier for the Guided missiles. These were small tracked vehicles which used an M151 engine and were used to carry the missiles from the truck to the launcher. The back of my bed floor has two holes to drop pins into to anchor each ramp.. I have never been able to find any info in any manual about the ramps. The brakeover angle would be too much for most "regular cars" unless the ramps were 15 feet long or possibly longer. If you find a lightweight ramp that one person can man handle please let us know. If I find something I'll post it here. George

 

[Monster Man]

I know what you mean- I've been eyeing a deuce as a small car hauler for like 5 years now. Never had the car before to justify it but after renting a trailer a few times I got fed up and FINALLY got my deuce (yeah, I'll just tell people that's the reason <img src="emoticons/icon_smile_rotfl.gif" alt="ROTFL">)

in all that time I've NEVER seen a single pic of a jeep or any other small vehicle being loaded into a deuce. I've seen a Jeep in the bed, but how did it get there? <img src="emoticons/icon_smile_shrug.gif" alt="Shrug">

Now, I'd think the military had a standard ramp they would use- there couldn't be a convenient ditch everywhere they went, right? Looking up "ramp" on the LOGSA site came up with a couple results, but they were for huge mobile hydraulic loading ramps. I'll keep looking

 

[Monster Man]

Originally posted by fujinama

Harbor Freight had some ramps on sale with a 1600lb rating for loading a tractor into a pickup. Get two and you should have the capacity.

hmmm... checked my local ad and on the web and didn't see them. Do you remember exactly what they called them? I looked up "ramp" and it didn't come up with any?

thanks!

 

[fujinama]

Originally posted by Monster Man

Originally posted by fujinama

Harbor Freight had some ramps on sale with a 1600lb rating for loading a tractor into a pickup. Get two and you should have the capacity.

hmmm... checked my local ad and on the web and didn't see them. Do you remember exactly what they called them? I looked up "ramp" and it didn't come up with any?

thanks!

You know what? I happened to see them AT the store, so I wonder if they don't do mail order on them for some reason. Next time I go, I'll keep an eye out. Well, maybe I'll just look, because that sounds painful.

 

[Bob H]

A subject close to my heart!
I have been wanting a M36A2 (Long bed M35) for just that reason.
I have seen dump coversions (by www.whiteowl.com ) added to the standard bed, which would reduce the length of ramp needed and eliminate the worry about break over angle for cars.
Ultimately i would want to see if it could be converted to a roll back, without looking like a roll back, then I could use it to haul the GPW to MV shows and camp out under the canvas of the deuce!
and with the 16ft M36 bed & roll back, it could even haul the M880, barely!

 

[fujinama]

Rollback, like a dumpster truck? I was thinking about that too. Seems like you would just need some wheels, a winch, and some stops to make it work. All it has to do is slide the bed back until it rests on the ground. THe tailgate would make a nice ramp, and you just drive up.

 

[Santoken]

We've always used the loading dock for my buddy's GPW into his Duece.

 

[deuce or die]

I bought my deuce to haul my lenthened (90 in wheelbase) M-38. I took of the bedside of the dropside and i put shackles in the loops for the bed hinges so i can chain down the jeep. My ramps are some old aluminum ramps that are maybe 8 feet at the most. I have the ends of the ramps drilled and angle cut so a rod slides through the ramp and the part of the tailgate hinges. The ramps are way steep and way scary. I have to put my jeep in four low to get up them and that is with lockers, 35 inch tires, and an injected small block chevy. I can't think of a practical way to get a car on there unless you have incredibly long ramps.

 

[Bob H]

Originally posted by fujinama

Rollback, like a dumpster truck? I was thinking about that too. Seems like you would just need some wheels, a winch, and some stops to make it work. All it has to do is slide the bed back until it rests on the ground. THe tailgate would make a nice ramp, and you just drive up.

I was thinking more of a flat bed wrecker style,
but your idea would be less expensive I think.<img src="emoticons/icon_smile_thumzup.gif" alt="Thumb Up">

 

[dilvoy]

Bob H, My M36A2 has a 17.5' bed. I think they all are and add a couple feet for the opened tail gate and it's pretty long. A dump incert drops between the rails of a deuce but sits higher than the truck frame. I think it adds one foot to the height. The pump is driven from a pto at the transfer case. They are designed to dump quickly so they are high volume pumps. My latest hair brained idea is to tilt the bed up at the front about three feet, with a 12 or 24 volt pump and hydraulic ram. The back will have simple king pin hinges and the front of the bed will have some sort of locks to keep it in place while driving. In the bed will be two ramps with many steel wheels that are sitting between angle iron channels. The channels will also hold the ramps against the bed, but must allow for flexing of the bed. The ramps will be attached together with steel braces. The system will be lowered by gravity and an electric winch will control lowering speed and the winch will raise the loaded or unloaded ramps in a controlled manner. The M36's hav a drop side on the right hand side which could allow the bed to flex more than a normal bed though. I sure don't want to loose that side loading ability. Well that's my latest idea. George

 

[da_sgt]

No need to invent one, ones for sale on ebay<img src="emoticons/icon_smile_wink.gif" alt="Wink">
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[Monster Man]

in asking around, I could find no info on loading ramps- apparently they always used a dock <img src="emoticons/icon_smile_shrug.gif" alt="Shrug">

and, in researching, it appears there's a bell curve on the strength of a ramp in comparison to its length, over 8 feet they start losing load capacity. I'll load up on some sticks and chop them all down to 10 foot sections and go from there. They'll weigh quite a bit, but they'll be darn sturdy- and I'll winch instead of drive it in <img src="emoticons/icon_smile_big.gif" alt="Big Smile">

I'm thinking 2x6 or 2x4 rectangle tubing, with lots of triangulated crossbars and a mesh deck surface

 

[dilvoy]

That truck on E Bay will need a wide load permit every time it hits the road. The front end is the same width as a deuce or five ton, but the back wheels and framework stick way out. I have seen similar trucks that are used for carrying pontoon boats for bridge erection and they must be very similar to this truck. Probably the only difference is the flat sliding bed as opposed to the sliding boat cradle. Very cool and very big.

 

[Recovry4x4]

Yup, the M812 is a cool truck but at 114" wide has its own issues. I was reviewing a test document from the gov't on this pipeline truck that I have. For those who don't know, it has a 20,000# winch in the front of the bed and a tailboard roller. The gov't designed it this way so that it could selfload skid mounted oilfield pumps. In one such picture it shows them loading a 4 stage skidmount pump using just the winch. This pump weighs 4000#. They simply attach the winch hook to an eye in the front of the skid and start winching. With the tailboard roller once the load gets to the back of the truck it just starts lifting and the cable is drawn over the roller and once it reaches the roller is sucked right onto the bed. One could probably design a similar skid for the Jeep to sit on. If will be a couple of years before the pipeline truck is done but I already have an experiment waiting for the winch skid deployment deal. The M109 van body has skids on it. I plan on trying the selfloading technique with a shopvan body. I've looked at it extensively and cant see a reason why it wouldn't work.

 

[dilvoy]

Recovery 4x4, I have a shop van on a deuce but it's data plate does not say M109. It had another model number. I think it is a 1965 vehicle and it has a non turbo multi fuel with the sprag t case. I never noticed any skids on the van body, but I'll be sure to check it the next time I'm up there. Be sure to have anything inside nailed and screwed down very well. That body will be tipped at an extreme angle while winching up. I have a military 6,000 lb rough terrain forklift and it can easily lift 10,000lbs. I have a deuce that I'm installing a five ton 14' drop side bed on and the plan is to use the forklift to lift the van body up and drive the truck under it for loading and vise versa for unloading. I think I'll be a little over 8' with the sides lowered but not by much. With the two extra feet and the opened tailgate I should have a nice porch out back. Just another one of my hair braned ideas.

 

[Recovry4x4]

George, sounds cool! I have no idea why I want to try loading this thing, just want to play I guess!

 

[Monster Man]

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