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M35a1,Lack of Power and No Smoke from Exuast!!!!!!!!!!!

hammerdown

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Hi people can anyone help me on this matter of lack of power and no smoke from exuast..:-(:-(
The Deuce starts and runs perfect,its all serviced up with fresh filters and oil,iv done everything possible,but she still wont pull hard or smoke,not that smoke is a good thing,its just i want more power from the old girl.Not looking for speed only pulling power.:lol::lol:
Now my next thinking plan is to turn up the pump and get some more fuel into the engine,
But i need some tips and no how on how to do this and even some pics would be a great help.
Its running the Hurcules engine if that helps???.....:p:p:p:p:p
 

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Ditto on the filters - my deuce had the same problem on the trip to and from Aberdeen. Changing the primary fuel filter at the show produced a muddy old filter. I'm sure the secondaries are the same way since they are 6700 miles old as well.

Filters are the cost we pay for running crap fuel in our trucks. Not to mention offroading them I'm sure gets its share of dirt in the tank.
 

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Yes every possible filter was changed!!and yes full of crud,but still even with clean filters there is no change what so ever in performance!!!..
 

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Hey Hammerdown,

I'm pretty sure you already checked this, but if your filters are new, and staying clean, and it runs, but no power, did you check the in tank pump? Clogged, hose loose, things like that keep showing up on posts. If your filters were cruddy, it might be the source. For my information, when you say no power, you mean it's running, it drives, but it's gutless? In which case, Gumpy is probably right, you can turn up the fuel. I did on mine, it made a huge difference, but I ordered and installed a pyrometer first because the EGT's REALLY went up when I turned up the fuel.....

Now, if you turn up the fuel and it's still unhappy, then I'm at a loss to help.

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You say you have an M35A1. Is that true? Does it still have the LDT-427 engine? I doubt it because the military yanked that engine in favor of the LD and LDT-465 engine. If you still had the LDT-427, you'd be concerned about too much smoke.
 

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Havent checked the pump in the tank but the fuel pisses out the fuel line when its disconected.
So i shall be turning the fuel up and see what happens from there..:???::???:
 

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The engine is a Hurcules that was Refitted in the mid 80s that we have found out.The Truck itself has only covered 7000 miles its not done alot..
 

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If you like and I would do it to mine when you up the main fuel we should reduce the droop. The smoke cam is a little tricky if you can't sipn up the IP on the stand.
The droop screw is no problem but you will need a boost gage installed and left installed if you like. Yes you should check with gage on the intank pump for 100* correct but as said before we don't have to have it working to still be driveable. Never seen figures on with and without pump performance and doubt anyone cares. But there will be an effect so best to have it 4 to7 lb. Then while you are checking those numbers do the motor running pressures at the different rpm's
 

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What the **** is a droop screw????and what does it do????..
Unlike most gasoline engines, all diesel engines have a governor. The governor does two main things: 1) it sets the maximum speed the engine can turn, and 2) it forces the engine to turn at a fixed speed, determined by the pedal position, regardless of load... in other words if the pedal is at 1/2 full, the engine will always spin at, let's say, 1700RPM.... Well assuming it has enough horse power...

The fuel adjustment screw (smoke), sets the absolute maximum amount of fuel you can squirt into the combustion chamber under full throttle, full load conditions. The idle screw sets the minimum speed the engine can turn, and the flyweights have a spring that sets the maximum speed.... but something is still missing from this model.... stability.

Governors are always a compromise.

Let's assume that the pedal is 1/2 way depressed, and the engine is turning 1700RPM, and the load is suddenly increased. The RPMs are going to drop, or droop, and the governor is going to increase the fuel in an effort to bring the speed back up.

How much fuel should the governor give the engine to do this?

If it gives the engine full fuel, the engine will take off, overshooting the 1700RPM desired speed, and then cut the fuel back (because it is going too fast) and undershoot, and then give it full fuel again and overshoot, and .... Well, it will start doing a very annoying thing called hunting (or surging).

If, on the other hand, it only gives the engine a tiny amount of fuel, it won't start hunting, but it will never get back to the set speed of 1700RPM... it will be a wimp.

This is where the drop, or droop, adjustment comes into play. It allows the mechanic to setup the engine's governor to best match the particular application for the engine.

If the drop/droop is set too tight (won't let the engine drop in speed), the engine will always overshoot and then undershoot the set speed when the load changes, eventually (hopefully) settling in on the desired speed. If it is set too loose, it will never get back to the set speed when the load increases.... the gutless wonder syndrome.

Our droop/drop screws are probably always set correctly when the injection pump leaves the pump stand at the depot (I hope!), but at some point in the life of the engine, there was a change order to disable the Fuel Density Compensators (FDC) that gave an emergency one-size-fits-all setting for both the fuel (smoke) screw, and the drop/droop screw to compensate for disabling the FDC. The problem is it is easy to adjust the smoke screw, but you have to take things apart to set the drop/droop screw... so human nature being what it is, it probably didn't get done on some of our trucks.... or if it did, one-size-fits-all solutions are generally one-size-fits-none solutions anyway. There is a reason for the injection pump stand.

In review, the idle speed screw sets the minimum set RPM for the governor, the fuel (smoke) screw sets the maximum amount of fuel charge ever set by the governor, and the droop/drop screw sets how much to let the governor reduce the engine speed when a load is applied, in the name of stability.

-Chuck
 

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Nice write up Chuck thanks.
Our Droop screw realy is a quick fix just take out the little plug in the rear and turn it clockwise maybe a quarter turn to reduce the fuel at 1600 to 2200 rpm.
Most just bypass FDC and leave everything alone. Tweekers fine tune.
 
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