m35a2c What does the "C" mean?

[pigpen60]

m35a2c What does the "C" mean?

 

[Black Ops]

Drop-side cargo bed.

 

[pigpen60]

Thanks and while we are here whats the "a2". And ive never seen an "a1" that i know of.

 

[steelandcanvas]

There are A1, A2 and A3 designations. A little search will reveal the differences.

 

[pigpen60]

Ok, a1 no turbo smaller engine(427?). A2 turbo'd Ldt 465.

 

[steelandcanvas]

I pulled this up using our Google Custom Search in the top right corner, there is also a "Thread Information" option toward the bottom of the page.

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showthread.php?72803-a1-vs-a2

Have you downloaded the Technical Manuals which are available at the top of the thread? They will help you become more familiar with your truck.

 

[stb64]

Ok, a1 no turbo smaller engine(427?). A2 turbo'd Ldt 465

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No.
A1: 1960-65, turbocharged LDS 427-2 hypercycle (multifuel)engine. The S in LDS stands for supercharged.
A2: 1965-89, non turbo LD 465-1 (25A generator), non-turbo LD 465-1C (60A alternator- that's right, the C suffix stands for just the 60A alternator).
LDT 465-1C and LDT 465-1D. The same engines as the LD 465-1C but turbocharged. And no, the C & D don't mean anything turbo.

 

[Scar59]

Ok, a1 no turbo smaller engine(427?). A2 turbo'd Ldt 465.

A3 = turbo Caterpillar 3116, Allison automatic transmission.

 

[pigpen60]

I dont have a m35. i would like to have one. As for downloading the TM's, i have a hard time reading them online guess i need to start buying.

 

[Plane Fast]

You can send the TMs to iBook (if you have a apple product) and use the search function. It works well if you are looking up a NSN part number. (Although it will have to be in the right format)
Then if you wanted, you could send the TMs to a printer or have kinkos make you some binders.

 

[pigpen60]

Ill have to talk to my granddaughters, They understand computer things.

 

[Warthog]

Just realize that the manuals are thousands of pages. Please don't start printing without proper planning.

 

[Warthog]

Also Olive-drab is a great resource for different MVs.

http://olive-drab.com/od_mvg_www_deuce_m35.php

 

[icecreamman]

On an m35a2c, the "C" means clean air as in turbo. The turbo was added to make the smoke go away. It only added 5hp but made most of the smoke go away. I can still remember back in the seventies getting behind convoys of deuces belching black smoke. I was maybe a ten year old riding in the back of a pickup on the interstate,,,,,I survived.

I've actually thought about removing my turbo just to "blow smoke". It's only 5hp loss.

 

[icecreamman]

the c turbo is almost unbearable as far as noise. My "d" turbo is quiet (no designation) . Kind of confusing.

 

[hndrsonj]

TM 9-2320-361-20
1-10. EQUIPMENT CHARACTERISTICS, CAPABILITIES, AND FEATURES
a. M35A2 Cargo Truck, WO/W and W/W.
PURPOSE: This model is used to transport cargo and troops. The M35A2 has permanent steelwelded
sides, making it a preferred vehicle when transporting bulky or shifting loads. Side racks have builtin
troop seats which may be positioned for troop transport operations. A bow and tarpaulin kit is available.
M35A2 CARGO TRUCK W/W
b. M35A2C Cargo Truck With Dropsides, WO/W and W/W.
PURPOSE: M35A2C cargo trucks are used to transport cargo and troops. The hinged steel sides can
be folded down or removed for easy side loading and unloading operations. Side racks have built-in troop
seats which may be positioned for troop transport operations. A bow and tarpaulin kit is available.
M35A2C CARGO TRUCK WITH DROPSIDES
1-4

 

[sigo]

Deuce model differences are prime content for a SS wiki. Didn't we have a fairly extensive wiki at one point?

 

[clinto]

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No.
A1: 1960-65, turbocharged LDS 427-2 hypercycle (multifuel)engine. The S in LDS stands for supercharged.
A2: 1965-89, non turbo LD 465-1 (25A generator), non-turbo LD 465-1C (60A alternator- that's right, the C suffix stands for just the 60A alternator).
LDT 465-1C and LDT 465-1D. The same engines as the LD 465-1C but turbocharged. And no, the C & D don't mean anything turbo.

I don't have solid evidence in front of me, but I strongly, strongly believe that the alternator/generator plays no part in the C/D designation of the multifuel.

The C series uses the first generation head gasket with separate fire rings and pressure relief slots. The D series uses the one-piece head gasket. If someone can show me a military TM that backs up this "C=25A generator, D=60A alternator" argument, I'll donate $25 of my own money to that person's charity of choice.

On an m35a2c, the "C" means clean air as in turbo. The turbo was added to make the smoke go away. It only added 5hp but made most of the smoke go away. I can still remember back in the seventies getting behind convoys of deuces belching black smoke. I was maybe a ten year old riding in the back of a pickup on the interstate,,,,,I survived.

I've actually thought about removing my turbo just to "blow smoke". It's only 5hp loss.

The turbocharger is an emissions device, not intended to create additional horsepower or torque, this is absolutely true. In fact, the kits that the military made to retrofit a turbo to non-turbo trucks were called "clean air kits".

The part about the C designation being for the turbo is absolutely, 100% not true.

On an M35A2C, an M35A3C, M54A2C, etc. the C always means dropsides. This is in both the M44A2 and M44A3 operators manuals. The M35A2C has it's own NSN, separate from the M35A2 and the dataplates show the dropside being different.

The M44A3 models all use the same engine and turbo. Every single one... M35A3, M109A4, M35A3C, etc.

Here's a screenshot out of the M35A3 operators manual:

 

[ageregunner]

the c turbo is almost unbearable as far as noise. My "d" turbo is quiet (no designation) . Kind of confusing.

The whistling noise of my C turbo is music to my ears.

 

[Recovry4x4]

FWIW, there is no documentation that has been presented here yet that any turbos were designated a "C" or "D". There were the LDT-465-1C and LDT-465-1D engines. The " C". Was an earlier design. In the same realms, the Schweitzer 3LG319 turbo (whistler) was the first design and was probably more prevalent on the "C" engine. I would imagine that someone drew a connection from that. Until the book is done or DD speaks up, this what we know so.far.

The "C" in relation to model number is heavily documented in TMs. The one slight unknown is when the dropsides came about.

Again, most of these answers may be in "The Book" when it comes out.