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they used to sell new at S & S for about $120. maybe still, ask them. on evilbay who knows, from $50 to $200
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Do you want to sell your devil switch for cheap?sermis said:
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Tom...yes, lol, thanks, but I wanted a Christmas pressy if someone was terribly unhappy with theirs. I won't change out for that price...I'd prefer to invest in other options for the deuce.
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Those switches are really cool, unitl they burn up and dont work. Then your stuck without lights. I think they are the biggest "contractor screwing the Govt" item out there, because they KNOW they can barely handle the 24-28V put out by the vehicle. I dont care how good you ground the switch, they WILL short out. The contractor blames all the shorting outs on "poor grounds", when it is really a bad design.
There are several threads on this subject before.
There are several threads on this subject before.
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Maybe I got the odd one out. Mine has worked flawlessly for a couple of years now. I thought about getting rid of it but since I took it out, I actually miss it. Bought it NIB on ebay a few years back for around $40.
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I got one and it was not working. The relays inside were damaged. This seems to be the problem with most of them. For about $20 I got relays to replace all of them not just the one that looked damaged. It had the relays replaced and it has worked great ever since. That being said, my three lever is in the tool box just in case.
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Chuck,
Did you happen to write the relay numbers down; or are they marked? I've got one that's acting up and was going to tear into it to see if it's fixable.
Did you happen to write the relay numbers down; or are they marked? I've got one that's acting up and was going to tear into it to see if it's fixable.
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I will try to find the number. I may have posted it previously so I will do a search to find out. I originally found the number by looking at the top of the relay. Very small stuff and very difficult for a non electronics person to change out. I will get back to you.Jones said:
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I could not find the number. They are clearly marked as long as all of them are not fried. There are four of them if I remember correctly and they should be surface mount with 6 legs. LM57?? but I may be wrong on the partial number.
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andy do you like to solder? If so pm me your address, I'll send you one.
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Thanks Chuck. If they're the same relay times four then I ought to be able to piece together a number with that many samples.
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A classic phrase comes to mind..."if I aint broke, don't fix it", but in the Gubments case..."fix it 'til it's broke".
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high side solid state relays, 10 pins. 2 different number solid state switches are used, made by ST micro part and available from digikey. 2 VN610 $5.47 and 4 VND600 $4.69
VN610 rated 45 amps and VND600 rated 25 amps each channel. basic soldering skill to replace, (tip: cut all legs, remove with tweezers, heat and remove body. this way avoids damage to board) static sensitive, use proper precautions.
VN610 rated 45 amps and VND600 rated 25 amps each channel. basic soldering skill to replace, (tip: cut all legs, remove with tweezers, heat and remove body. this way avoids damage to board) static sensitive, use proper precautions.
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JANUARY 11TH, 2008.
I MUST CONCUR with AlphaDeltaRomeo above, if any of you guys have a NSN-5930-01-491-9893 TACOM blackout switch that works and you just can't live with it, I'll swap you a NOS 3 lever any day of the week. I've had M422A1's with the 3 lever (What a waste of weight on a light jeep),M715's,M135/211's, M37's and my 1971 Kaiser Jeep M35A2 Wo/W "Saddam's Nightmare", and the M35A2's is very tought to work one or two handed because of where it's situated and what's around it.
If you want to see a very logical blackout switch design for 24VDC operation, take a look at the Mercedes S404.114 Unimogs built for the Swiss in the early 1960's. One 5 position switch with center lockout for the blackout/road lights (blackout side not used in this model-only "Off, Parking, Driving (S0,S1,S2)) used- Stoplights always on on the "Tage" or center position. And 1 pull switch under the steering wheel for the blackout driving/tail lights. You can work either of these with two fingers or less- German engineering at it's best. I think TACOM came up with a good modern design, which did the best job with the diverse wiring systems and dashboard layouts on our old equipment.
Line ADR says, you can send it to me for old Christmas, Serbian Christmas, New Christmas, Chinese NEw Year or any other day of the year you want to celebrate- and I'll thank you profusely.
Just My 2 cents in Confederate Money (as I'm in Texas),
Sincerely,
Kyle F. McGrogan
1963 Mercedes Benz S404.114 Unimog (Swiss)
1971 Kaiser Jeep M35A2 Wo/W "Saddam's Nightmare" Vietnam and Desert Storm Veteran Truck
I MUST CONCUR with AlphaDeltaRomeo above, if any of you guys have a NSN-5930-01-491-9893 TACOM blackout switch that works and you just can't live with it, I'll swap you a NOS 3 lever any day of the week. I've had M422A1's with the 3 lever (What a waste of weight on a light jeep),M715's,M135/211's, M37's and my 1971 Kaiser Jeep M35A2 Wo/W "Saddam's Nightmare", and the M35A2's is very tought to work one or two handed because of where it's situated and what's around it.
If you want to see a very logical blackout switch design for 24VDC operation, take a look at the Mercedes S404.114 Unimogs built for the Swiss in the early 1960's. One 5 position switch with center lockout for the blackout/road lights (blackout side not used in this model-only "Off, Parking, Driving (S0,S1,S2)) used- Stoplights always on on the "Tage" or center position. And 1 pull switch under the steering wheel for the blackout driving/tail lights. You can work either of these with two fingers or less- German engineering at it's best. I think TACOM came up with a good modern design, which did the best job with the diverse wiring systems and dashboard layouts on our old equipment.
Line ADR says, you can send it to me for old Christmas, Serbian Christmas, New Christmas, Chinese NEw Year or any other day of the year you want to celebrate- and I'll thank you profusely.
Just My 2 cents in Confederate Money (as I'm in Texas),
Sincerely,
Kyle F. McGrogan
1963 Mercedes Benz S404.114 Unimog (Swiss)
1971 Kaiser Jeep M35A2 Wo/W "Saddam's Nightmare" Vietnam and Desert Storm Veteran Truck
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Me first... 
wait ya turn my good man...wait ya turn lol
wait ya turn my good man...wait ya turn lol
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Having been born and raised pre touch-screen, led light, mouse click, voice activated, keypad actuated, digitized, computer operated, voiped, text messaged, remote controlled and so on and so on, I love my mechanical three lever switch 
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I've had both styles myself too. I prefer modern military vehicles - so naturally I like the push button switch better.
The headlight switch (3-lever) in my Deuce acted up when I first got it, though. I bought another one off Ebay and took apart the old one. What a complicated Rube-Goldbergian contraption it is on the inside.... Seems like a lot of areas that corrosion and wear can take place.
By the way - this kind of reminds me of how people reacted when fuel injection started becoming commonplace in the 80's. All the hotrod guys freaked out and swore they hated it and it was the end of hotrodding new cars...
I guess all those guys are tinkering with their little-rascal scooters now instead of cars, but all the people that were willing to ADAPT to progress (whether it had obvious benefits or not) are happily upgrading injectors and remapping their ECMs...
Kinda like that gol-derned horseless-carriage contraption... What a fad that'll be....
The headlight switch (3-lever) in my Deuce acted up when I first got it, though. I bought another one off Ebay and took apart the old one. What a complicated Rube-Goldbergian contraption it is on the inside.... Seems like a lot of areas that corrosion and wear can take place.
By the way - this kind of reminds me of how people reacted when fuel injection started becoming commonplace in the 80's. All the hotrod guys freaked out and swore they hated it and it was the end of hotrodding new cars...
I guess all those guys are tinkering with their little-rascal scooters now instead of cars, but all the people that were willing to ADAPT to progress (whether it had obvious benefits or not) are happily upgrading injectors and remapping their ECMs...
Kinda like that gol-derned horseless-carriage contraption... What a fad that'll be....
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Why don't we have push button steering, I wonder...
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You think the 3 lever switch is complicated, open up a push button one...
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February 5th, 2008.
You DO KNOW that the Ohio River Towboats use a tiller lever or joystick to steer them and their tows, and I suspect it may not be too far in the future when automobiles and trucks may be controlled with the old eyeball direction system like the weapons on the UH-1's, or possibly electronic implants that let you interface with your car, computer, house and whatever else. The Edsel used a push putton control on the steering wheel for the transmission (and WE all know what happened to the Edsel), but the tendancy historically has been to replace less sophisticated equipment with more sophisticated equipment. A steam locomotive will move a train, just not as well as a modern diesel electric, and it takes more training to operate the steam locomotive. I can operate 1840-1940's belt driven machine tools fine, but I can't be bothered with CDC machines, whereas my college age wizards can run anything computerized and almost nothing mechanical, but then they're all Bill Gate's offspring.
To borrow a saying from Casablanca," I can see the viewpoint of the hounds, as well as the fox's". Our trucks are stone age in technology (almost) but I bet they can handle battle damage and repairs better then some of their newer offspring. In any case, I'll still trade a 3 lever new for a new TACOM.
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Kyle F. McGrogan
1963 Mercedes Benz S404.114 Unimog (Swiss)
1971 Kaiser Jeep M35A2 Wo/W "Saddam's Nightmare" Desert Storm and Vietnam Deuce VEteran Truck.
You DO KNOW that the Ohio River Towboats use a tiller lever or joystick to steer them and their tows, and I suspect it may not be too far in the future when automobiles and trucks may be controlled with the old eyeball direction system like the weapons on the UH-1's, or possibly electronic implants that let you interface with your car, computer, house and whatever else. The Edsel used a push putton control on the steering wheel for the transmission (and WE all know what happened to the Edsel), but the tendancy historically has been to replace less sophisticated equipment with more sophisticated equipment. A steam locomotive will move a train, just not as well as a modern diesel electric, and it takes more training to operate the steam locomotive. I can operate 1840-1940's belt driven machine tools fine, but I can't be bothered with CDC machines, whereas my college age wizards can run anything computerized and almost nothing mechanical, but then they're all Bill Gate's offspring.
To borrow a saying from Casablanca," I can see the viewpoint of the hounds, as well as the fox's". Our trucks are stone age in technology (almost) but I bet they can handle battle damage and repairs better then some of their newer offspring. In any case, I'll still trade a 3 lever new for a new TACOM.
Regards,
Kyle F. McGrogan
1963 Mercedes Benz S404.114 Unimog (Swiss)
1971 Kaiser Jeep M35A2 Wo/W "Saddam's Nightmare" Desert Storm and Vietnam Deuce VEteran Truck.