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Recycled oil

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I'm just curious as to how the big boys clean and recycle their used motor oil before re bottling it. Something tells me that there has got to be some chemical that is added to the UMO to help the carbon particles drop out of suspension other than gasoline and centrifuging it. I'm no chemist, but I have seen certain chemicals added to suspensions that cause them to separate almost instantly. There has got to be some kind of miracle chemical to do this. Anybody tried xylene?
 

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I think the "Big Boys" simply add it to the crude mix they have and re-refine it. A lot simpler that way, since it is only one process to think/worry about.
 

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I'm just curious as to how the big boys clean and recycle their used motor oil before re bottling it. Something tells me that there has got to be some chemical that is added to the UMO to help the carbon particles drop out of suspension other than gasoline and centrifuging it. I'm no chemist, but I have seen certain chemicals added to suspensions that cause them to separate almost instantly. There has got to be some kind of miracle chemical to do this. Anybody tried xylene?
WMO is typically distilled in the industrial level of recycling it. The centrifuge removes all of the suspended sub-micron particles, but no filter, or centrifuge can remove dissolved solids, such as carbon and/or metals. That is what distillation is for.
 
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If your wanting cleaner lube oil use a centrifuge it will remove the soot and metal particulates in your engine and allow you to run longer between oil changes. I wouldn't put it back in block after that though. I would put a centrifuge on and just do an oil analysis however change your oil filters and clean your centrifuge as according to manufacturers specs. Just my 2 bits hope this helps.
 

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Alright. Now we are getting somewhere. I don't have the means to distill oil obviously, but at least that is a solid answer to part of my question. Over time I am going to experiment with different chemicals to see if I can find any that will effectively break the suspension of carbon from the oil. Perhaps it will end up being a sticky or something. My goal her is to either find something that works, or confirm that there is nothing that will do it.
 

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Since oil is made up of long chain hydrocarbons (READ: CARBON), you will need something that binds to carbon, but does not break any of the existing carbon chains. Good luck! That's why the 'big boys' simply re-distill it, sometimes call cracking oil. The resulting product is not just oil, but everything from asphalt to vapors.
 

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Alright. Now we are getting somewhere. I don't have the means to distill oil obviously, but at least that is a solid answer to part of my question. Over time I am going to experiment with different chemicals to see if I can find any that will effectively break the suspension of carbon from the oil. Perhaps it will end up being a sticky or something. My goal her is to either find something that works, or confirm that there is nothing that will do it.
A centrifuge will remove all of the suspended fine particles; however, a centrifuge cannot remove the dissolved carbon and metals. You could use partition chemistry (aka Partition coefficient) to force the dissolved carbon and metals out of solution.
 
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I would like to ask this,dissolved particulates would have what affect on lube oils? I could see it being an issue if it made the oil acidic or broke down the lubricating properties but causing more wear I do not see happening if the particulates are heavier than the oil even in a liquid state then heating and cooling the oil over a period of time would settle the particulates to the bottom however if it is bonded to the oil I would think you would damage the lubricating properties by thinning it however you may try diluting it with clean oil and reusing it. If you try using a chemical to remove the bond you may damage the lubricating properties of the oil if your not certain you can certainly use that uber clean oil as fuel.
 

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I'm not really worried about the lubricating properties, just trying to see if we can make UMO less damaging over time to our injection systems. If you could take the black stuff (carbon) out before burning it why wouldn't you? Should end up with longer pump life and less coking.
 
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So your wanting it as fuel then? Ok now I see I thought you wanted to reuse it for lubricating oil. You could try heating and cooling the oil multiple times or thinning and heating and cooling it to get the impurities out wouldn't use gasoline or anything highly flammable or try to find something that acts like lye in a sense that bonds with what your trying to remove to help make the impurities heavier to get them to settle out..
 

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Main way to distill is under pressure and temperature. Not something I want near my home....
 

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Main way to distill is under pressure and temperature. Not something I want near my home....
Right! And I've seen lots of YouTube videos of guys with small cracking towers set up and running in their garage! That's just asking for an insurance claim. Stupid.... At least put it out in the driveway while its running.
 

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Anyway, I'm pretty sure this can be done with the process that BB shared that Wiki link to earlier. This has to be what chemists do when they do oil analysis, we just have to figure out what chemical additives and process they use and then do it on a larger scale. And hopefully it won't be cost prohibitive.
Edit: I see that OA Is done by spectrograph now, but read that it was done by wet chemical process before the spectrograph was adopted, so I think I am on the right track here.

***spectrum analyzer*** I will wake up at some point today.
 
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I would like to ask this,dissolved particulates would have what affect on lube oils? I could see it being an issue if it made the oil acidic or broke down the lubricating properties but causing more wear I do not see happening if the particulates are heavier than the oil even in a liquid state then heating and cooling the oil over a period of time would settle the particulates to the bottom however if it is bonded to the oil I would think you would damage the lubricating properties by thinning it however you may try diluting it with clean oil and reusing it. If you try using a chemical to remove the bond you may damage the lubricating properties of the oil if your not certain you can certainly use that uber clean oil as fuel.
The problem here is understanding the difference between suspension of particles and dissolution.
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Dissolution is the process by which a solute forms a solution in a solvent. The solute, in the case of solids, has its crystalline structure disintegrated as separate ions, atoms, and molecules form. For liquids and gases, the molecules must be adaptable with those of the solvent for a solution to form. The outcome of the process of dissolution (the amount dissolved at equilibrium, i.e., the solubility) is governed by the thermodynamic energies involved, such as the heat of solution and entropy of solution, but the dissolution itself (a kinetic process) is not.
Whereas, particle suspension is where the particles still exist, they are just floating in the medium, and often too small to filter out. Abrasive particles floating in a medium can be a source of abrasion, although, sub-micron particles might be so small that they pose no risk of abrasion.

As you mentioned it, dissolved particles, which are, by definition, no longer particles, might cause, in this case, lubricating oil to become acidic, and acidic lubricating oil can cause corrosion.

However, we have 2 paths of discussion here: 1] waste oils used as fuel, and 2] the recycling of lubricating oils as lubricating oils.

1] The recycling of lubricating oils as fuel requires addressing the dissolved carbon and metals, because they produce ash and coke during combustion. It is this ash and coke that can lead to injector coking and increased wear of engine parts. Differential solubility, and distillation are ways to remove those dissolved carbon and metals from lubricating oils used as fuel. Distillation is another way to do it.

2] The recycling of lubricating oils as lubricating oils is another issue. The myth is "oil does not get warn out, it just gets dirty." Well, it does wears out.

How lubricating oils "wears out," is hydro carbons are prone to polymerization under oxidation, time, pressure and temperature. Polymerized lubricating oils accumulate long-chain hydrocarbons that tend to melt at 160F and above. The engine coolant in most internal combustion engines is 160F. What happens is polymerized lubricating oils accumulate in the coldest spots in the lubricating cycle, which is the oil pan and valve cover. Eventually polymerized lubricating oils will accumulate on the valves and interfere with valve performance.

Distillation will remove both dissolved carbon and metals as well as polymerized hydrocarbons. Therefore distillation is a superior method of recycling lubricating oils for any purpose.
 

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I have some UMO that has been sitting for a couple weeks that I cut with kerosene ( about a cup worth total). I'm going to add some xylene late today and let it sit at room temp overnight and see what I come up with. I'm hoping for some heavy stratification with good looking oil on top mostly down to the bottom inch or so. Of course, that's what I'm going to want to see with every test, and I know that's over optimistic .
 

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Jeep, you confused me with the UMO reference. I have always seen it as this, Waste Motor Oil or WMO. I thought UMO was Unused Motor Oil!
I wondered why someone would refine unused motor oil to use as fuel!
 
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