Softtop rail mis aligned.

[HmmwvTim]

I was trying to get my doors and top on and it seemed impossible. This truck came with the top rails and the rear curtain along with the camper tarp. I have a new camo 4man top that I want to get on.
I was wondering if the soldiers goofed on this in the field or am I doing something wrong? It seems that the passenger side rail sits below the doors and comparing it with the driverside, looks like it is about an inch or more lower. The driverside is already tight as it is against the doors but the passenger side is impossible.

Does someone have a photo of where the holes should be on both sides? If these holes are incorrect, any idea on how to get these properly tig’d?
Thanks for your help.

 

[HmmwvTim]

The c piller looks like it was stamped by the factory and is equal on both sides.

 

[GuntherRommel]

Not sure if this helps you. Looks like you are missing the inserts completely

 

[juanprado]

what model truck do you have as that will determine if it was armored and what pillars are on it.

Those holes look very large and typically where the rails connect is a rivet nut with a machine screw unless those holes are where the rivet nuts used to be?

 

[HmmwvTim]

Not sure if this helps you. Looks like you are missing the inserts completely

Not missing. I pulled them out. It was a pain because they were crumbling but with some vice grips, I was able to get them out.

If you ever take those rails off, can you measure from the middle of the top turnbuckle rivet to the center of the well nut For both sides.

as for measuring the b pillar, i have no way of knowing outside of eyeballing it from the turnbuckle. Perhaps measuring it from the bottom of the b pillar (body split line) to the center of the wellnut.

 

[HmmwvTim]

what model truck do you have as that will determine if it was armored and what pillars are on it.

Those holes look very large and typically where the rails connect is a rivet nut with a machine screw unless those holes are where the rivet nuts used to be?

Never been armored plates. (No holes) and it came with the rails fully installed. M1165.
i originally noticed that softdoors did not close on that side so I assumed that the passenger didnt close. I figured they just needed bending. When I got hard doors, i noticed how off they were. I unhooked the rails, put the doors on and let the rails rest. The driverside is ok (a little tight) the passenger side was over an inch too low for the doors. Thats when I measured the images from both sides and from different points such as the mirrors, turnbuckles and hardroof mount bracket.

the holes look big because I pilled out the rubberized wellnuts.

 

[osteo16]

Actually I had missing wellnuts and ones replaced with rivnuts.. I used oversized rivnuts on mine where the big wellnuts were missing.. Center of hole is still center of hole no matter how you fill it. I think i might have had to go up a screw size and just drilled out my siderails an 1/8 or so bigger.. FWIW... Who knows what they did to fix these in the field.. I thought about doing a bunch of hole filling and re drilling, but for my limited door use and soft doors I opted not to.. YMMV... Id send you measurments, but you wouldnt like them

 

[HmmwvTim]

Actually I had missing wellnuts and ones replaced with rivnuts.. I used oversized rivnuts on mine where the big wellnuts were missing.. Center of hole is still center of hole no matter how you fill it. I think i might have had to go up a screw size and just drilled out my siderails an 1/8 or so bigger.. FWIW... Who knows what they did to fix these in the field.. I thought about doing a bunch of hole filling and re drilling, but for my limited door use and soft doors I opted not to.. YMMV... Id send you measurments, but you wouldnt like them

wellnuts are pretty common in that size. My problem is ensuring I get the optimal spot to drill and how to tig the current holes. I know hmmwv aluminum is a tad different. I wonder if the window frame is the same. Also if any welder shop has the skills to do it or is it something special?

If they did install it in the field, i wonder if they just never put doors on it. soft doors wouldnt close unless they bent the heck out of the window frame. This could go back to, “was it originally an unarmored hard top?” Otherwise the factory would have stuck these rails on.