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Spoon’s build thread

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I agree with Mullaney's assessment. I personally have a Warn 18,000 Ibs winch on my Deuce, but I don't use a winch every day. One thing not mentioned is the space used by a "mechanical" winch. You have the PTO sticking out, plus a driveline going alongside your engine. Makes working on that side of your engine a little more difficult. For the ultimate winch I would go with a Hydraulic unit. You can use it all day long, doesn't take up much space, and it is extremely strong.

Now about your back surgery, what are you having done ? I've had several back surgeries, the last included a rod being installed. Hopefully you're not doing that.
 

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Decompression on L4/5, I’ve got a synovial cyst pinching the nerve root. Ridiculous pain. Will be glad to get it done.

Cheers,

Spoon
Well, that's good that it's only a cyst and not a herniated disc. Same level of pain but the herniated disc has to be cut out and that leads to total disc failure down the road.
Good luck !
 

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Well, that's good that it's only a cyst and not a herniated disc. Same level of pain but the herniated disc has to be cut out and that leads to total disc failure down the road.
Good luck !
Depends on how bad it's herniated. I had that on my L4 and buldged discs on L5 and 6 from what the doc said according to the MRI. My herniated disc looked like it had a hook sticking out going towards my inner body. 5 months of physical therapy and chiropractics solved my issue so no surgery, but I also have arthritis in my back so my projects bending over or using my back are fairly limited with short spurts and a few minutes of rest in between. I was told to be careful of what I lift and how much, apparently it's easy to reinjure that disc once it has healed.
 

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I think Rusty and Mullaney had good points about the winch. I have the PTO winch and while it pulls like an ox, it's not an easy one man operation. It's also not hard to have the PTO linkage in the wrong spot, especially if you aren't use to it, let up on that clutch and the winch starts spooling in, could be disasterous lol. I've used mine a few times to pulls trees down and to move fallen tree's out of the way, but my electric winch on my pickup is far easier to use. I think the electric winch will be the easiest to install and the simplest to use especially on a stock front bumper without extensions, but it has limitations like Mullaney said. However, electric winches need to be used or run every so often so internal moisture doesn't lockup the motor or corrode internal electric connectors. Usually once a month working the line in and out for 5 minutes generates enough heat to keep it in good working order. Don't have to do that with any hydraulic or PTO winch, but I suggest making sure everything works before you plan on getting the truck stuck!🤣

As far as electric air compressors, I've seen guys add them where the spare tire carrier is or a generator. The electric compressors are typically a plug in style so it will need an inverter unless you can find one that wires in then it needs to be 24v or ran off a reducer 24v-12v.
Another option is to add more or larger air tanks on the truck. Doing so means it will take longer to charge if the system is low and obviously that means little to no brakes until the buzzer shuts off, unless you tie in another tank with a shut off valve and fill it so it stays full all the time, but you'll have to add a bleeder to drain the moisture out of the tank if that's the case.
An easy way around all this is to have a portable 5 gallon air tank and recharge it once it's empty from an air hose ran from the truck, though it's no help if the on board air compressor takes a crap or the belt breaks.
 

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You guys are amazing!

An advantage of a PTO winch is that I already have one. But no cable. I like the idea of hydraulic due to the flexibility of that system. Reasonably easy to expand. Who knows maybe the deuce gets a crane or bucket…

My plan is still to convert the flatbed to a rollback. My mechanic mentor is a master welder and he’s the one that taught me to weld. A big fabrication project will be fun and nice to see my messy welding improve with more hands on experience. At this time I do so little welding it’s like I have to relearn the muscle memory for arc striking.

I recognize that rollbacks have been explored and there are issues with weight and height. Given my extremely remote location we are not concerned with legal road issues. Safety yes. Maybe a robust roll over system is warranted

I think the practicality of an electric winch makes way more sense for the leading edge of the bed for the rollback.

I’ve put to the community an idea of building a centralized shop for regular maintenance and low impact restoration. The major item I want is a lift and concrete floors. Most people out there have dirt floors. My shop included. Most of the community response has been positive, but pushing through a project like this tends to get political and weird with the nimbys. The location would be across the road from the fire brigade and could offer mechanical support for the brigade.

The county picks up hazardous waste about every 2 years from that location. A mechanic shop would have a place to store and mitigate waste.

Potentially all the waste hydrocarbons could be centrifuged and reused in the deuce. Straight wmo could be reused as black diesel. This would reduce the amount of waste that would need to be removed from the island.

At this point the project is stalled. But, I will have somewhat more time this winter/wet season to write a proposal that matches the sub area plan and zoning and makes the building of the shop a no-brainer for the foot dragging nimbys. (Not In My Back Yard)

I’m hoping when time and $$$ line up with the planets (jk) to pour a slab and bib for my shop. Right now the floor is below the water table and that makes working in my shop unpleasant.

Cheers,

Spoon
 

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Spoonerist I have a question I've been meaning to ask you. How do you access your island ?
Also how do you bring in supplies and most importantly how did you get a Deuce there ?
Good morning,

The deuce was already there. The brigade picked it up from the DNR.

Access is complicated. There’s a mail boat that runs 3 days a week that can take a few passengers and freight.

For larger items, building materials, propane delivery, vehicles, etc there’s a service that runs a charter landing craft. We call it a barge, but it’s a LTV. They run fairly frequently from neighboring islands and Anacortes.

The island is mostly privately owned except for a few nature reserves. There’s no tourist attractions or amenities, no camp grounds, no store, no public utilities. We tend to look askance at uninvited visitors, but there are county roads, a county dock, etc. Send me a PM if you’d like further information about coming for a visit and not being shunned.

Cheers,

Spoon
 

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Good morning all,

Back surgery went well. There was quite a bit of damage to the nerve at L4-5. The surgeon wound up doing a laminectomyy, facetectomy, and a partial discectomy in addition to a cyst removal.

I’m back in Bellingham for a few weeks before returning to my island. My deep nerve pain is gone! The incision is pretty sore. I’ve got the “good drugs” for which I’m thankful.

I appreciate this community and look forward to getting back into my deuce project. I will have to get back in slowly due to weight and movement restrictions.

Cheers,

Spoon
 

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Good morning all,

Back surgery went well. There was quite a bit of damage to the nerve at L4-5. The surgeon wound up doing a laminectomyy, facetectomy, and a partial discectomy in addition to a cyst removal.

I’m back in Bellingham for a few weeks before returning to my island. My deep nerve pain is gone! The incision is pretty sore. I’ve got the “good drugs” for which I’m thankful.

I appreciate this community and look forward to getting back into my deuce project. I will have to get back in slowly due to weight and movement restrictions.

Cheers,

Spoon
Glad to hear your doing well ! My back surgeries did not go so well. Just don't push yourself and reinjure your back.
 

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What @Mullaney said. If you "need" a winch, I would go for hydraulic. It delivers the power/duty cycle, as well as excellent control and overload protection. Hydraulic lines/hoses are also easier to route than a driveshaft. They figured that out for the M35A3 w/w and also for the Canadian built Deuces with a Pullmaster hydraulic winch.
 

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Best wishes for your successful recovery! Don’t neglect your physical therapy either, the warnings given by other members here are first-hand experiences that shouldn’t be taken lightly.

While you’re recovering, start looking into mechanical means for lifting/moving heavy parts, such as gantries, wheel/hub dollies, jib cranes, etc…. PInterest has hundreds (if not thousands) of great ideas & inspirations for these, many of them homemade (I’ve spend hundreds of hours browsing and reading a few minutes at a time every night to get my eyes tired before bedtime). Last year I was diagnosed with Degenerative Disc Disorder in my lower back, and just recently recovered from rotator cuff surgery in my right shoulder (I blew out my right bicep muscle in same injury, it couldn’t be repaired)….I also had a torn rotator cuff surgically repaired 3 years ago on my left shoulder, and I have always considered myself in pretty good shape.

So I’ve spent considerable time investigating mechanical lifting & movement tools, many of which can be made from salvaged materials, and they have proven themselves to be worthwhile investments of both time and money….your back will thank you!! You’d be amazed at the jibs & cranes that could be fabricated using truck axle hubs as a base.

Get better, but don’t rush anything!
 

rustystud

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Best wishes for your successful recovery! Don’t neglect your physical therapy either, the warnings given by other members here are first-hand experiences that shouldn’t be taken lightly.

While you’re recovering, start looking into mechanical means for lifting/moving heavy parts, such as gantries, wheel/hub dollies, jib cranes, etc…. PInterest has hundreds (if not thousands) of great ideas & inspirations for these, many of them homemade (I’ve spend hundreds of hours browsing and reading a few minutes at a time every night to get my eyes tired before bedtime). Last year I was diagnosed with Degenerative Disc Disorder in my lower back, and just recently recovered from rotator cuff surgery in my right shoulder (I blew out my right bicep muscle in same injury, it couldn’t be repaired)….I also had a torn rotator cuff surgically repaired 3 years ago on my left shoulder, and I have always considered myself in pretty good shape.

So I’ve spent considerable time investigating mechanical lifting & movement tools, many of which can be made from salvaged materials, and they have proven themselves to be worthwhile investments of both time and money….your back will thank you!! You’d be amazed at the jibs & cranes that could be fabricated using truck axle hubs as a base.

Get better, but don’t rush anything!
Silverstate55 was spot on here !!!!
I had major surgery on my right shoulder including repairing two bad rotator cuff tears. My left shoulder was just as bad but I retired and haven't used my left arm as much since. So I saved myself the surgery.
I've had 5 major back surgeries, the last included a 8" rod being installed. Ten surgeries on my hands, two knee replacements and elbow surgery.
What I'm trying to say is I've had to rethink the way I do things now. That is why you see my battery tray "slide" retrofit on the Deuce, plus all the other things I've done to make it easier to work on. Like my fuel filters on the outside of the frame rail.
In my shop I installed a 1 ton crane to lift all the heavy junk I work on like those pesky Allison transmissions which can weigh in at over 300 Ibs. I've been retrofitting my equipment for years now because I knew there would come a time when I would not be able to lift or move anything without major help.
As men we don't like to think about "not being able to do things" , but old age and injuries make that a pipe dream. So now your recovering from your back surgery. Now is the time to start thinking about how you need to make your life easier. Be it buying that small power ratchet or impact gun since working a regular ratchet or wrench is to painful, to buying or building a mobile/permanent crane to lift things off the floor to your work bench.
You might think a crane is too expensive an item, but I just installed a 1 ton crane that I bought for $260.00 off an auction a few months ago. With help from my son and a forklift I dismantled it and brought it home. Then rebuilt it, (cleaned off the rust and welded some bad spots, then relubed the bearings) painted it and installed it with the help of my little Kubota tractor.
The first picture shows it installed at the old shop that went out of business.
So start now before you need the help.
 

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Awesome!

I’ve got a 1 ton chain hoist that is rigged up. I most recently moved my welder with it. I’m all about mechanical advantages.

I’ve got to say I’m extremely jealous of your concrete floors… drool…

I’m planning to pour a slab, hopefully next summer. Then it’s game on. A lift. A tire changing machine, not the red bar manual dealy. An actual machine. :)

Time and money and a real desire to not have to get my back fused.

I am missing my chainsaw… awful hard to use an assist with that one. If any of you are in the market for a new saw, I strongly recommend the Stihl ms400c, it’s amazing! It’s about 2lbs heavier than my 026 pro, but all the vibration mitigation makes it so much more comfortable to use.

I’m taking all of your experience and recommendations for healing my back. I won’t be going home for 6 weeks and when I do I’ll be using the tractor to get wood and my SO to bring it into the house.

Cheers from PNWland,

🥄
 

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What @Mullaney said. If you "need" a winch, I would go for hydraulic. It delivers the power/duty cycle, as well as excellent control and overload protection. Hydraulic lines/hoses are also easier to route than a driveshaft. They figured that out for the M35A3 w/w and also for the Canadian built Deuces with a Pullmaster hydraulic winch.
It just popped into my head. I’m planning to build a rollback bed and that’ll need hydraulics. A hydraulic winch makes total sense!

Now to start the research.

Cheers,

🥄
 

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It just popped into my head. I’m planning to build a rollback bed and that’ll need hydraulics. A hydraulic winch makes total sense!

Now to start the research.

Cheers,

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Having hydraulic power on board gives you lots of options. Aside from your original goal for a winch, you can have a hydraulic impact wrench, or a chain saw, or a even a jack... Lots of choices. Heck, you could even connect your log splitter up to the system if you wanted to.
 

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Having hydraulic power on board gives you lots of options. Aside from your original goal for a winch, you can have a hydraulic impact wrench, or a chain saw, or a even a jack... Lots of choices. Heck, you could even connect your log splitter up to the system if you wanted to.
OMG!!! The possibilities are limitless! Grapple boom/dangle head… :)

If only vast amounts of $$$ and a massive shop for switching attachments. I’m drifting into mechanical porn while I’m recovering from surgery…

Cheers,

Spoon
 

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OMG!!! The possibilities are limitless! Grapple boom/dangle head… :)

If only vast amounts of $$$ and a massive shop for switching attachments. I’m drifting into mechanical porn while I’m recovering from surgery…

Cheers,

Spoon
I know ! Hydraulics are an amazing force to use, especially on military trucks. Brakes, steering, radiator fans, winches, booms, outriggers, tools. The list just goes on and on.
 
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