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Tools for M939A2 8.3 water pump swap

DinoShepherd

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Hi all.

Going a couple hundred miles to check out one that sounds promising.

Owner says water pump has startup squeak. No problem, check the TM and it is a 4 bolt R&R.

I want to make sure I bring the right tools down with me to do the job. Anybody have the correct wrench sizes and if I need anything special?

Thanks.
 
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CARNAC

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IAW TM 9-2320-272-24-1 for the M939A2 series trucks page 3-202 paragraph 3-69.

Tools required: General mechanic’s tool kit
Materials required: O-ring

Equipment Condition:
-Hood raised
-Parking Brake set
-Engine coolant drained (paragraph 3-63)
-Fan belt removed (paragraph 3-71)

You have to look up these paragraphs for any special tools and what you have to do in those 'work packages'.
3-63 General mechanic’s tool kit
3-71 Torque wrench (Appendix E, Item 146)

So now you have to look up the item in Appendix E, Item 146 and that comes up as:
Item number 146 is the Torque Wrench, 3/8-In Drive Model TE-12A with the NSN 5120-00-230-6380 and is found in the set with this supply catalog 4910-95-CL-A31 which with further research turns out to be the Shop Equipment, Automotive Maintenance and Repair: Field Maintenance, Basic, Less Power. This Shop Equipment set has the NSN 4910-00-348-7696.

The GMTK listed has the supply catalog: SC5180-90CL-N26. You can look up this supply catalog on line and it will give you a list of what tools are in it. You won't need all the tools but that's the list of what is in the set.

The O-ring required is:
Item 462 with nomenclature O-ring and part number 100478. It is NSN 5330-00-081-9289. Researching the NSN on that top secret website called google, using the search of "o-ring 100478" I get the answer that it is a Cummins 100478 part. I also cross referenced the NSN and the term o-ring just to validate. Several places have it for sale cheap.


Now to dig deeper, go to the parts manual which in this case is TM 9-2320-272-24P-1. The picture is figure 119 shows 5 items and the items are listed in figure/page 119-1.

1 PAOZZ 2930012688751 15434 3802081 PUMP,COOLING SYSTEM .................................. 1

2 PAOZZ 5331012721123 15434 3902089 . O-RING PART OF KIT P/N 3802389 PART.......... 1
OF KIT P/N 3802389

3 XAOZZ 2930012688751 15434 3802081 . PUMP,COOLING SYSTEM ................................. 1

4 PAOZZ 5305012077447 15434 3900677 SCREW,CAP,HEXAGON H................................... 1

5 PAOZZ 5305012453193 15434 3900621 SCREW,CAP,HEXAGON H ................................... 4

Item 1 is the water pump replacement kit with the o-ring (item 2 which is the same o-ring we found before) and water pump (item 3). Item 4 is one bolt and Item 5 is a different bolt that you need 4 of. Using this listing, we go through the columns from left to right:

Column 1 Item number from the figure (picture) on page 119
Column 2 is the 5 digit SMR code (don't worry about this)
Column 3 is the 13 digit NSN which you need for your search
Column 4 is the manufacturer 'CAGE' code. This code gives you the name of the manufacturer by going to the BINCS website: https://cage.dla.mil/search//begin_search.aspx In this case the 15434 CAGE code comes back as Cummins.

Column 5 is the manufacturer part number.
Item 4 is Cummins (we know it is Cummins by the Cage code) part number 3900677 which comes back as a M8 30 bolt. Use the NSN to validate the part number if you want.
Item 5 you'll have to do a search on. My battery is dying on my computer.
 

CARNAC

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M8 x 25 mm, Cummins # 3900621 There's the other one. Both appear to be M8 just different length (25mm and 30mm).
 
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74M35A2

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Thanks CARNAC, that was very polite to do.

On things like this, the owner can often be wrong, in maybe it is the alternator squeaking, tensioner squeaking, fan clutch, etc.... If it is just lightly squaeking, then it will drive fine for a while. Fix at home. Otherwise, take the belt off (super easy), and hand spin each belt driven item, including the tensioner. See who complains. If water pump, then:

I did mine, and the 8.3 uses a three bolt water pump (Does TM really say 4 bolts? That is incorrect, good thing I never use it). None-the-less, it is super simple and easy. You'll need two 5 gallon buckets to catch coolant 10mm socket with ratchet and extension, and a 1/2" drive ratchet or breaker bar to drop the belt. Take belt off via tensioner relief, drain coolant 75% (below water pump cavity), remove 3 water pump bolts. One bolt will be holding the alternator lower brace also. Pull pump out, install replacement pump with lubed up O ring, put it all back. Gravy job. The longer bolt is for the alt brace.

8.3 water pump:


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my76fj40

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I like that explanation! The TM version reminds me why I hated looking up stuff. Darn thorough though!
 

Ford Mechanic

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Could be a belt squeaking also, take a bottle of water. Cut a small pin hole in the top so you can squirt it out when you squeeze the bottle. Spray the belt just enough to lightly wet it while it's running. To much water can make a different squeal. If the noise goes away is the belt, if it doesn't is a bearing. Then use a thin long screw driver like a stethoscope to pinpoint the bearing. Never spray anything other than water on a belt.
 

DinoShepherd

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Could be a belt squeaking also, take a bottle of water. Cut a small pin hole in the top so you can squirt it out when you squeeze the bottle. Spray the belt just enough to lightly wet it while it's running. To much water can make a different squeal. If the noise goes away is the belt, if it doesn't is a bearing. Then use a thin long screw driver like a stethoscope to pinpoint the bearing. Never spray anything other than water on a belt.

Winner, winner chicken dinner.

The PO was convinced it was the water pump. So I dragged one down there and it didn't need one. Back to the store it goes. That's a hundo to go to other toys.

:)
 
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