winch and shear pins, ugh!!!

[KsM715]

Ditto recovery4x4's post. Nice and smooth with the clutch work and at idle. If you put the pin in from the pintle I would check that hole again, on both the input shaft and the pto shaft. There should be no play what-so-ever.

 

[wldrbob]

i have been lucky with my winch so far and yes i have a steel grade 2 bolt in it the biggest thing i winched was with the deuce hooked to a 72 foot house trailer and i winched the whole thing over 6x6 blocks that were frozen in place ,deuce and trailer almost 40000 lbs . one old vetern said the winches are rated 10000 lbs draging the weight in one lump on the ground . the electric winches are rated rolling load on a 10 or so degree angle . i have an 8000 warn and its a toy beside the deuce winch

 

[mudguppy]

i... one old vetern said the winches are rated 10000 lbs draging the weight in one lump on the ground . the electric winches are rated rolling load on a 10 or so degree angle . ...

where does this stuff come from?

electric winches are rated by maximum line pull (achieved at bare drum). however, based on calculations performed by Gringle', the deuce winch was 'apparently' rated by minimum line pull (at full drum). or, it was just flat-out completely under-rated.

winches are not rated by dragging weight. over what surface - concrete? ice? wet grass? grip tape? unicorns?

winches are not rated at pulling a load up a 10° slope: if this were the case, then my 12k MileMarker winch will only pull 2083.8 lbs.

no.

 

[73m819]

according to the TM-10s for the deuce and 5t , the winches are rated at pulling on the first wrap on the drum, almost ALL winches, cranes are rated this way

 

[gimpyrobb]

Well, I know you don't want to hear this, but something you have missed isn't right and needs fixed.

George (tmamerica) got stuck in the silt pond at Haspin last year. We had THREE deuces winches trying to pull him out. When Stretch hooked up he was the only winch pulling and got him out with no effort at all. I know my winch needs servicing, just have not got there yet, so I don't know ALL the pitfalls to point you at. A properly working deuce winch will do amazing things. If you have/had one that works and that isn't enough, you can affix a 5ton winch in it's place. There are multiple members here that have done it, I'm sure a search (don't you love to be told to do a search!) will bring some more info.

 

[mudguppy]

i understand and concur, Ron. however, can you explain the consistant calcs that Gringle' obtained?

i guess i just chalk that up to 'gross under-rating.'

 

[73m819]

NO, I cant, the smaller the dia., the more line pull-slower line speed, the fatter the dia., the less, line pull-faster line speed

 

[Squirt-Truck]

We test winches for hire, and per Ron's post yes they are all rated for capacity on the first lay. The only exceptions are marine mooring winches and tuggers. They just have a maximum line pull rating. THe mechanics of the deuce winch are underrated, but the limiting factor is the rope. Winch SF guidelines are for a 2:1 and the 1/2" rope meets that.
Electric winches such as Warn, Mile Marker, and others are winches for show. Most (not all) will not make rated pull, most will failel, and all will overheat or loose gearing long before you make a pull of any length. (Read like 25 feet or so.) The best you can depend on from one of these show winches is 1/2 the rating and that is being generous.

Like Recovery posted, the correct shear pins are tough, at roughly 800RPM the winch should stall the engine before it shears. But screw with the clutch or bump the throttle and snap.

 

[ODdave]

so guys, what i am understanding is once the shear pin is replaced with something stronger the 1/2 line is the weak point and the winch is underrated???????? i dont think so..........

 

[gimpyrobb]

Nice! I mean, uh, that sucks.

 

[ODdave]

lol, that was my "shear pin test" LOL (its ok i got 3 extras)........man thats messed up, i have more spare winches than spare shear pins, hmm i think i found the problem

 

[m16ty]

this is true, but i don't think you will find the alloy posted on this site - there are several members here that manufacture and sell shear pins out of the correct alloy. so...

2024. There, it's posted.

Actually, this and just about all you ever wanted to know about shear pins is in this thread. http://www.steelsoldiers.com/deuce/7948-winch-shear-pins.html?highlight=winch

 

[wldrbob]

i broke the 1/2 in line single pull winching myself over a 5 ft snowbank with 85 sq bales of hay on the truck it was on the first wrap of cable .. looking at that busted winch pic i might not do that again

 

[73m819]

so guys, what i am understanding is once the shear pin is replaced with something stronger the 1/2 line is the weak point and the winch is underrated???????? i dont think so..........

No, i dont think the cable is the weak point because the safe working load is 1/4 or 1/5 of breaking, I think you will see a lot more BROKE winches then a GOOD cable

 

[Billy Bobbed]

What if you had less cable on the winch and use more chain or strap.The last time I used my winch I only had to let it out about 15ft of cable,broke 3 pins easy.What if you had 40,50ft of cable on the winch instead of a 100ft,and use more chain or strap.

 

[m16ty]

I like to run about 100' or so of cable. 1) it gets you down closer to the drum for more power and 2) It doesn't pile up as bad if you're pulling at a little bit of angle and bust the case that way.

You can always use chain or chokers to make up some extra length if needed.

 

[Recovry4x4]

Need more cable off the drum? Back up, add more snatch locks or do as Billy Bobbed suggested and run less cable. I personally, would rather have the extra cable for some of the situations I face. I have a medbox full of snatchblocks so getting the cable off the drum is no problem. My winch is still the last resort after everything else fails.

 

[Josh]

If you need a snatch block, let me know, I got a friend who works at a wire and rope company(up to 6in thick wire rope) and he said he could get a good deal on some snatch blocks. let me know.

 

[73m819]

At the FIRST GA. rally, someone with a M819, forgot to lock in the front drive and got STUCK in a mud hole , Jwaller used his deuce winch to pull it out , he backed up till his drum was down to about 1/3 wrap of cable, pulled the 819 OUT.

 

[rosco]

Gimp nailed it! Even if its not wallowed out, just using the winch, back and forth, it will fatigue the shear pin, and it will fail after a while.