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I was going to point out the new Dodge's can tow up to 30,000lbs but of course that is with brakes.
Lots of new civi trailers don't have brakes.
Lots of new civi trailers don't have brakes.
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My counterargument: M105A2 with 3000lbs of ammo cans in it. Towed at highway speeds with no detriment to braking (exhaust brake) and no pushing the truck around. Also towed on fairly rough dirt road without issue.June 12th, 2015.
The M105 is too much trailer for any civilian pickup, I don't care how you modify the trailer or the truck. They were designed for a two and a half ton medium truck, and even your 2500/3500 's are mere toys by comparison. .![]()
If you want real drama try towing that trailer here in Washington with all our little hills like the Cascade Mountains ! Then you would find out real fast that your little truck was no match for that loaded trailer ! There are reasons that different areas have different laws regarding who can tow what, when and where . From your response I can tell you do not have a commercial driving license or driven a 18 wheeler with a fully loaded trailer. If you had then you response would not have been so cavalier . After having been in a severe accident involving a trailer with brake issues I can assure you towing is a serious affair and should be treated as such.Some drama queens here. In TX, no brakes needed below 4.5K. An empty 105 is 2.5K. Obviously, the more level you can get it the better. I had a tall plate and it was still very nose down but it towed fine at freeway speeds behind a 1/2 ton Tundra. Recovery is just like an 101 and 110X. Brakes up, lights on, go. Pretty sure my loaded up 101 weighs more than an empty 105.
I would post a pic but don't like the rules for posting pics.
X2. Civilian trucks are rated to tow crazy amounts. A 105 is not even a challenge for my v6 4Runner.Really? Chevy 1/2 tons can tow 11,900lbs, 3/4 17,900lbs, 1 tons 23,200lbs. New axle w/brakes, no problem.
If you want real drama try towing that trailer here in Washington with all our little hills like the Cascade Mountains ! Then you would find out real fast that your little truck was no match for that loaded trailer !
Does this 8% grade up and over Franklin Mountain just outside of Ft Bliss count?
That's not even as steep as my driveway !If you want real drama try towing that trailer here in Washington with all our little hills like the Cascade Mountains ! Then you would find out real fast that your little truck was no match for that loaded trailer !
Does this 8% grade up and over Franklin Mountain just outside of Ft Bliss count?
You can have the best brakes in the world, but if you don't have the weight to handle the load then the load will handle you ! Your 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks weigh how much on average ? Around 5,000 Ibs. You load a M105 trailer and your looking at 4,000 Ibs. Now who is going to stop who here ? The trailer will push through your great brakes causing your really mighty (400 HP) trucks to skid all over the place. If we where talking about a fifth wheel trailer that would be a different story as the weight is centered over the rear axle and even if the trailer had no brakes the towing truck would have a better chance of stopping it.""The M105 is too much trailer for any civilian pickup, I don't care how you modify the trailer or the truck. They were designed for a two and a half ton medium truck, and even your 2500/3500 's are mere toys by comparison. .""
The M105 was designed for a 2.5 ton medium truck built with 1950s technology. Let's compare the 1950's tech M35A2 to a modern 1ton pickup...
Horsepower and torque: modern diesel pickup trucks make close to 400HP and 800lbs/ft of torque. Compare that to the fairly anemic 140ish HP of the M35...
Rated GCVWR of the typical 1ton pickup is 25,000-30,000 lbs, which is right there with the M35 or a touch higher.
Braking. When towing, your first point of failure will almost always be braking. Tow vehicles can usually pull well in excess of what they can stop (which results in crashes). And this is where the deuce really hurts. A modern diesel pickup truck with a manual transmission in combination with an exhaust brake and huge disk brakes equipped with ABS will stop a heavy load in a shorter distance than the M35. For extended braking down long steep hills the exhaust brake will do a much better job than the deuce's air over hydraulic brakes.
From your response I can tell you do not have a commercial driving license or driven a 18 wheeler with a fully loaded trailer.... I can assure you towing is a serious affair and should be treated as such.
You have mountains in Georgia ?I pulled a 105 with a NOS multi fuel engine and tranny in the trailer, from WV to Clinto's place outside Atlanta, GA.
I used my Ram1500 with a 5.7 Hemi. It pulled very well even through the mountains.
I also used a raised hitch.
NOYou can have the best brakes in the world, but if you don't have the weight to handle the load then the load will handle you ! Your 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks weigh how much on average ?
Around 5,000 Ibs.
You load a M105 trailer and your looking at 4,000 Ibs. Now who is going to stop who here ? The trailer will push through your great brakes causing your really mighty (400 HP) trucks to skid all over the place. If we where talking about a fifth wheel trailer that would be a different story as the weight is centered over the rear axle and even if the trailer had no brakes the towing truck would have a better chance of stopping it.
I have towed cars and trucks with my truck and more then once the towed vehicle pushed me ! Once it was through a intersection causing me to jackknife . If you tow with the bed fully loaded that will give you a better chance of stopping and not skidding.
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