2012 F450 Hauling 32,000 lbs. (5 TON)GVWR=44,500

[spicergear]

DOT numbers or not, isn't the hitch rating exceeded on the trailer? Doesn't that kinda make you feel...I don't know...like a huge liability looming?

 

[doghead]

I still need to know if you'll consider hauling an M817 for me. I will get one(or more) eventually. Mead looks to be a possible location.

If not, anyone else?

 

[m16ty]

Also have a friend that uses farm tags on his tractor and hauls (his) equipment all over the US. Also No IFTA sticker and no authority needed with Farm tags in MAryland.

I not doubting what your friend is doing but it's not legal to cross over into most states with out of state farm tags. I know in TN you will get fined heavily with Maryland farm tags, no IFTA sticker, and no TN authority.

It's not too bad to run commerically in most states as long as you stay within state lines. When you start crossing state lines things turn into a mess. We only keep our apportioned trucks apporitioned for TN, KY, and AL. If we have to venture into another state we just buy the temporary authority. I'd hate to see the paperwork mountain if you were apportioned for all of the 48 states.

 

[tigger]

This is funny! I was just talking with Zout this afternoon. about this vary thing and hoping the guy dead in his 1 ton pickup pulling a goosneck with a 2 1/2 ton m35 in IN was not one of the members here. Yes i said dead!!!!!!! He was unable to stop for traffic and rear ended a flatbed and the m35 came loose and smashed the goose neck and landed on his pickup. Stuff like this pisses me off seeing wrecks like this and then getting on here and reading about people doing it. Thankfully it was only this idiot that killed him self this time. But i have seen way too many people killed because of others stupidity!

 

[swbradley1]

Tigger, References to said accident please. A URL or where you heard about it.

thx

 

[hndrsonj]

Tigger, References to said accident please. A URL or where you heard about it.

thx

Coincincidently, I had heard about this very accident before even logging in on SS. (sorry no specifics on it)

 

[tigger]

I didnt hear about it I saw it! I drive for a living and see this kind of thing on a weekly bases. and it makes me mad! And during the summer when the RV'S are loose god help us. they wreck one every other day. And it is getting worse every year. There are too meny stupid drivers out there, cars and trucks alike! And in some cases trucks are worse!

 

[doghead]

What town?

 

[Bighurt]

This is funny! I was just talking with Zout this afternoon. about this vary thing and hoping the guy dead in his 1 ton pickup pulling a goosneck with a 2 1/2 ton m35 in IN was not one of the members here. Yes i said dead!!!!!!! He was unable to stop for traffic and rear ended a flatbed and the m35 came loose and smashed the goose neck and landed on his pickup. Stuff like this pisses me off seeing wrecks like this and then getting on here and reading about people doing it. Thankfully it was only this idiot that killed him self this time. But i have seen way too many people killed because of others stupidity!

This is why I reply to threads like this. It's all fun and games till someone losses their life. In the words of wing safety, a class A mishap is a one way trip to the hospital.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly an M35 if properly tiedown should have a minimum of 6 chain and binder assemblies 2 fore and 4 aft.

How many times have you seen an improper load? I parked next to an excavator once that had two 3/8" chains and binders securing it to the trailer. Not the biggest unit but not something to be taken lightly.

 

[tigger]

What town?

I 80/90 toll road in IN not sure of the town.

 

[timothy1]

bighurt, I see the same thing everyday, and people don't think about proper chains and procedures. There is actually a certain way you chain a machine. Excavators need a ATLEAST 5 chains and binders to atleast meet DOT, but yet that even changes depending on your machine weights and chain/binder ratings. Its easy to skimp but not worth my freedom or someones lives.

 

[Stalwart]

So seriously...you just admitted to accepting compensation for the haul. You cannot accept ANYTHING in return. My buddy was one of the PA State Police guys that looked for these loads for a living and LOVED, LOVED, LOVED some guy with a commercial load claiming no compensation. His best was a guy with like 15,000lbs of apples claiming it was a private load. The guy finally said the wrong thing in his chain of BS something to the effect that they were being sold at a carnival (or something) and the proceeds were being donated. Proceeds = BUSTED. It took $7,000 to get his truck on the road again. How about them apples?

If you're (anyone) going to play this game without documentation; the load is YOURS or you're doing it for FREE. Not a favor, not a lunch, not $ .38, not just for fuel...nothing. Not whatsoever. Best is it's yours as a hobby. Do you sell them? Nope, just an expensive hobby.

Actually, here anyway, you can let them pay for fuel, but no compensation for time and the vehicle. As far as my lunch, we trade buying lunches, we are FRIENDS!

 

[Tanner]

Just looked for the towing capacity of an F450. Found this,

And if you'll dig further into the SAE engineering standards used in determining these tow/haul capacities, they usually state that the towing and hauling weights are factored with one 200~ish pound driver in cab & no other people, cargo, or equipment on-board.

But how many pipe rack equipped work pickups have you passed hauling a full load of work crew, welders, power tools & hand tools in the bed & pulling a Bobcat on a maxed-out trailer to a jobsite daily? Too many to mention... and then they wonder why the transmissions die.

'Tanner'

 

[spicergear]

Actually, here anyway, you can let them pay for fuel, but no compensation for time and the vehicle. As far as my lunch, we trade buying lunches, we are FRIENDS!

I'm not coming down on you- more busting your chops. In PA, that's would've put your truck on the hook.

It was kind of a segway into the discussion of no profit or yours for people that don't know.

 

[Atwater]

we had a trailer dealer give a talk at a 2cyl club meeting last year and he brought up the point that it is next to impossible to have be purely noncomercial.
" that pulling tractor you play with? do they give anything for first place?
bingo! compensation."
in the end it tends to be cheaper to hire the hauling done.

 

[Blind Driver]

The trailer is a LOAD MAX rated for 24,000 pounds and the M923 is like 23,000 pounds

But how much does the trailer weigh?

Load Max 24000 lb with 2 12000lb axles. The truck has be upgraded with 19" michelin G rated tires, 5000lb each. Also subtract the goose neck weight, i prefer a 30 / 70% mix on the load. QUOTE]

Increasing tire load rating does not increase your stopping power nor does it beef up your suspension.

You guys are so funny. You'll complain and gripe all day long about someone carrying heavy weight with a civilian tuck. Then turn around and brag that your 2.5 ton carrying 30000 pounds or 5 ton tucks carrying 50000 pounds or whatever it is. Then you all high five each other for a job well done.

lol'ers

To the orginal post. $3/mi for a pickup w/gooseneck???

That's outragous. You can get a stepdeck to haul it cheaper. Loaded mile should be closer to $1.50/mile considering the cash payment upon delivery.

I didnt hear about it I saw it! I drive for a living and see this kind of thing on a weekly bases. and it makes me mad! And during the summer when the RV'S are loose god help us. they wreck one every other day. And it is getting worse every year. There are too meny stupid drivers out there, cars and trucks alike! And in some cases trucks are worse!

Especially the pickup truck hauling pallets. Truck is swaying back and forth about 12' tall


I was preparing to haul hay to the Dallas area with my F350. It'll safely haul 14.500#, but considering the weight of the trailer, I wouldn't have made any money.

decodeme2, where is your DOT approved sleeper, or do you only sleep in motels?

 

[docfarmall]

GEEWHIZZZ were do some people go to school just because the tag say 24,000 thats the total weight "NOT " what it will carry. your trailer weighs around 7,000 lbs that means you can "ONLY HAUL" around 16,500 figureing in your chains and binders they do add up to . Here is a hypo for you your runnin down the road say 50 mph you mom pulls out in front of you and you clamp down on the brakes .You cannot stop fast enough it is "NOT" a pretty site . I have driven trucks of all shapes sizes and have even hauled oversized but yours is by far under rated and I am a Ford person . This kind of stuff will give everyone aproblems down the road.

 

[Stalwart]

Doc, my trailer was "de-rated" to 25,900 GTW to avoid paying the 17% FET. I'm rarely over that but with 2 - 12,000 axles, 22lb/ft I-beam frame (rather than the standard 17 lb/ft) and 5,000+ on the truck my trailer isn't over stressed. My truck only has a 34,500 GVWR and I admit I do exceed that once in a long while. When heavy I am very careful not to over stress the truck, never full throttle and plan WAY ahead for braking. Luckily with disc brakes, even on the trailer, panic stops from even heavy weights isn't too dramatic. My typical load is 16-17,000 on top of the trailer.

 

[docfarmall]

Even still a 12,000lb axle means just that its rated to handle 12,000 lbs each . I always plan ahead and watch the road all the time but you never no when Grandma may pop out of a hidden driveway and you gotter . It happens to the best of us.

 

[Stalwart]

Even still a 12,000lb axle means just that its rated to handle 12,000 lbs each . I always plan ahead and watch the road all the time but you never no when Grandma may pop out of a hidden driveway and you gotter . It happens to the best of us.

Yes, 24,000 on the axles PLUS 5,000 on the truck. That is 29,000 for the arithmetically impaired. At that, the trailer is NOT overweight for the frame nor the axles on the truck or trailer, just for the little sticker printed to avoid FET. I've done the panic stops as a test, you can't prevent people failing to see my fire engine red truck, but that happens regularly in the HEMTT too.