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All Military Vehicles banned from road in Maryland

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I have not contacted ASED directly because I don't wish to draw attention to myself and risk having something stupid happen like having my title revoked (even though I'm in full compliance with Maryland law.)

Just a couple of weeks ago, I was given the contact info of a retired trooper who specialized in the ASED and may be sympathetic to our cause. Now that the guy is retired, his job isn't on the line and he faces no consequences for helping us or talking with me freely.

I haven't reached out to him yet, but I will.
 
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Oh crap...I've been reading post on here for months now in preparation for purchasing my first MV. I just seen this post today and I can't believe I didn't see it before now. I just purchased a 2002 S&S M1083A1 last week and was hoping to get it titled and registered here in Maryland, crap again.
I even called the local MVA (DMV) where I live and even spoke to a employee about registering a MV before I purchased the truck. The employee, who was a supervisor that deals with registering vehicles, told me that I as long as I had a clear title and got it inspected I would be good. WOW...we'll see!
Well, with all that I have read here in this thread, I'm in! You can count on me, and I will help as much as possible, including funds if needed. You can contact me anytime. Any MV owners here in Maryland can hit me up and maybe we can get together to discuss the issues.

With that said, part of my job is conducting CMV inspections. I've being do this for over 20 years so maybe I can help with FMCSA regulations, let me know. Maryland automatically adopts most all FMCSA regulations and I could possibly help with Maryland regulations too. FMCSA is one thing, the states are another. Different from state to state.

I have seen the discussions on what a commercial vehicle is, and when you need a CDL. FMCSA makes it pretty clear on both, however, it can be different from state to state. Again, since Maryland automatically adopts most FMCSA regulation, It's pretty clear.
If I can help let me know.

Just a mention on the Maryland historic tags. In 2016, Maryland changed the Historic registration law. Any vehicle 1986 or newer can be stopped and inspection for vehicle safety issues even though it has a historic tag. Also, you can not use it for transportation to and from employment or school.

Oh yeah, that is the first time I have every seen this bulletin from MSP ASED, I want to find out why!

Take care all and be safe!
 
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The MVA clerks don't really know about the ASED bulletin and they don't care. It's a case of 2 agencies not communicating.
 
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Funniest thing is to look at this first release of the civilian model back in 1992. They simply took the military edition and slapped a few new features on it to make it into a more friendly version. The primary features and equipment installed were the same in both versions. I have even been looking at the equipment diagrams on the 2003 civilian version vs. my 2003 HMMWV and they are identical for items like the steering column, etc that they like to call out as being non-compliant. It is just sad that we are having to fight to get our trucks registered, when in reality the core components between the civi version and the military versions are identical...

Brochure and Civi steering column diagram attached.
 

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TomTime said:
Oh crap...I've been reading post on here for months now in preparation for purchasing my first MV. I just seen this post today and I can't believe I didn't see it before now. I just purchased a 2002 S&S M1083A1 last week and was hoping to get it titled and registered here in Maryland, crap again.
I even called the local MVA (DMV) where I live and even spoke to a employee about registering a MV before I purchased the truck. The employee, who was a supervisor that deals with registering vehicles, told me that I as long as I had a clear title and got it inspected I would be good. WOW...we'll see!
Well, with all that I have read here in this thread, I'm in! You can count on me, and I will help as much as possible, including funds if needed. You can contact me anytime. Any MV owners here in Maryland can hit me up and maybe we can get together to discuss the issues.

With that said, part of my job is conducting CMV inspections. I've being do this for over 20 years so maybe I can help with FMCSA regulations, let me know. Maryland automatically adopts most all FMCSA regulations and I could possibly help with Maryland regulations too. FMCSA is one thing, the states are another. Different from state to state.

I have seen the discussions on what a commercial vehicle is, and when you need a CDL. FMCSA makes it pretty clear on both, however, it can be different from state to state. Again, since Maryland automatically adopts most FMCSA regulation, It's pretty clear.
If I can help let me know.

Just a mention on the Maryland historic tags. In 2016, Maryland changed the Historic registration law. Any vehicle 1986 or newer can be stopped and inspection for vehicle safety issues even though it has a historic tag. Also, you can not use it for transportation to and from employment or school.

Oh yeah, that is the first time I have every seen this bulletin from MSP ASED, I want to find out why!

Take care all and be safe!
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I bought mine last year and have the truck, but now waiting on the clear title to arrive before I can start the process here. Don't give up hope, I am not.
 
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I have just received an email from one of the sponsoring delegates' offices. They are overloaded with other legislation and will not be able to reintroduce the bill this year. They hope do try again next year.

Here's my personal take on this:

Laws tell you what you are NOT allowed to do, not what you ARE allowed to do.
Right now, there is NO LAW on Maryland's books that regulate the titling and registration of FMV's in any way. That's how we want it.
The bogus memo from the ASED is not a law.

In reality, we don't want a new law. We want the ASED nullified by a court so that we may operate our vehicles in an unfettered manner. That costs money and entails risks.

Making a new law is sort of the easy way out. It costs less money and there's less risk if a bill fails to pass. If the law passes, we will be subject to whatever restrictions are in that new law.
 
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Jeff MD said:
I love this...

"H1 is designated a Class 3 truck, and as such, it does not have to meet federal safety requirements. "

https://blog.consumerguide.com/hummer-h1-alpha/
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On top of this information, we use MIL-STD-1108B which is essentially the military version of the FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) to prove that former military vehicles are indeed built with public road travel in mind.

I feel that with the right documentation and the right people writing the case, we would stand a chance in a courtroom, getting the ASED bulletin nullified.
What would most likely happen next, is the Maryland State Police would petition the state legislature to write a law banning FMV's from the road but that would be a slow, drawn out process and I think with the court precedent on our side, such legislation would fail as long as concerned citizens showed up to testify.
 
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Ajax MD said:
On top of this information, we use MIL-STD-1108B which is essentially the military version of the FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) to prove that former military vehicles are indeed built with public road travel in mind.

I feel that with the right documentation and the right people writing the case, we would stand a chance in a courtroom, getting the ASED bulletin nullified.
What would most likely happen next, is the Maryland State Police would petition the state legislature to write a law banning FMV's from the road but that would be a slow, drawn out process and I think with the court precedent on our side, such legislation would fail as long as concerned citizens showed up to testify.
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I would show up. Another option would be to approach GM and have them issue retroactively the VIN and placard making it all null and void...
 
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Ajax MD said:
On top of this information, we use MIL-STD-1108B which is essentially the military version of the FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) to prove that former military vehicles are indeed built with public road travel in mind.

I feel that with the right documentation and the right people writing the case, we would stand a chance in a courtroom, getting the ASED bulletin nullified.
What would most likely happen next, is the Maryland State Police would petition the state legislature to write a law banning FMV's from the road but that would be a slow, drawn out process and I think with the court precedent on our side, such legislation would fail as long as concerned citizens showed up to testify.
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Where can you find a copy of MIL-STD-1108B?
 
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Awesome stuff. Thank you.

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5.4 Application of FMVSS. The application of specific requirements —-—
within the FMVSS’S, military wheeled vehicles designed to (a) carry 10
passengers or less and (b) have a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of less
than 10 000 pounds, shall comply with those requirements which apply to
“passenger cars”. Military wheeled vehicles designed to carry more than 10
passengers, shall comply with those requirements which apply to “buses”.
Military wheeled vehicles which have a GVWR greater than 10,000 pounds shall comply with those requirements which apply to “trucks”’.
 
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