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Where is he OP. I am curious how HE tried to register it.
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So you think the conditions of the sale where got out of. Goodie. Well there were no conditions of the sale except that I do not sell the vehicle to the wrong people. Thanks for your put down of my diligence. I am a very bad person for seeking legal advise. I wish you luck in your endeavors.When I see things like this I think you knew what was implied when you bought it but didn't think it applied to you.
Or at the very least set out to find away around the conditions of sale you signed.
When I bought mine I made a plan and talked to my lawyers. We designed a plan that we I think 17 steps to. We got to step two and we were 'OK'.
Negative. The concern wasn't about which party is incorrect. The concern was that there are conflicting positions within the department, and that somehow it is my fault and my burden to bear when their facts aren't straight. So I went and found one of the people who agreed with the first lady.Your assuming the ones that refuse to title and plate it are incompetent , whereas it could very well be the ones that did title and plate it are the incompetent ones.
Well I deal with lawyers every day. You made a presumption that I was looking for a way out or a legal game. Well while you have some lawyers around and they owe you favors. You ask some questions. We all sit around every once in a while and talk. So I told them I was thinking of buying a HMMWV. I told them I do not understand the process of bidding and winning and possibly not being able to drive the HMMWV. So we looked at it. They gave advice and objections. They gave issues and obstructions and means to tackle the issues and objections. They were being my friend. Because they are my friends. I figured the process was going to be a ton harder, it was easy. One lawyer talked about a car he bought salvage (No title/no VIN) and all this issues he had getting it restored and titled, he was our expert (his took years to get titled and plates).I'm not putting down your diligence. I question the need to feel like you had to have a plan with a lawyer to buy it . But that's your decision . Just seems a little odd . If you only signed an end use agreement and not the hold harmless agreement then I really don't understand .
I wish you luck in your endeavors as well.
I PM'd him the other day when he originally posted this. He said that he titled the vehicle with the off-road stamped SF97 and that he did this in October/November timeframe.Where is he OP. I am curious how HE tried to register it.
Because in GA they do not title off-road vehicles. I know there is a difference, but in the case of here in GA - you can't register a vehicle without a title, so in GA they go hand in hand. The 1 exemption to this is vehicles they consider to be antiques, which even the earliest of HMMWV's doesn't qualify for.What y'all are failing to understand is title & registration are 2 DIFFERENT things.
WHY would the tax office NOT want to do a title transfer ?
That would be refusing to take money from you.
The government (city or state) would NEVER refuse to lighten your wallet !
Lets keep it clear. First, I have nothing against trying it and fully understand the feelings involved (and the cash). Unfortunately, that is not relevant here.
For those who bid on a HMMVV, paid and signed the papers,
1) was it stated clearly that you bought the vehicle with a limited off-road use only?
2) Those who tried, when talking to the DMV, did you know that the bill of sale clearly said or would say "sold under off-road only conditions"?
3) If yes did you tell the DMV people clearly when talking with them that most if not all of these vehicles came with the "sold under off-road only conditions"?
If yes on two or three of the questions above, you took a gamble intended to go against a legal contract before signing it. Legally (in a perfect world), any case in court should be kicked out very quickly against you ( I am not completely unfamiliar with laws and court cases at least here in Europe where we love to go to court on principle or for the h**l of it).
If the sellers were not clear up front with the limited use only, then you have a case against the seller ... maybe, but not against any DMV. Dito if somebody did the trick before you and sold you a titled but "limited use only" HMMVV without telling you, you have a case against the seller but not against the DMV.
If you just mentioned to the DMV you have this nice vehicle that currently is not street legal but you would like to make it street legal without mentioning the signed contract conditions, you actually might be in problems with the intent to mislead the DMV. Maybe that is going a bit far but as DMV officer, if I got involved and this little sentence has been left out or at least not stated very clearly, I would be upset about the applicant and it would go against you in a court.
Again, and as said many times before here, for the law it is completely irrelevant whether or not the vehicle is actually road worthy or not, and whether or not some other people managed to get a paper-folded boat road worthy and titled so why not you.
The first question always will be: did you sign a paper stating the off-road-only status? If yes, bad luck, go home. If no, you might have a case against the seller or the DMV, but it will cost you waaaayyyyyy more than the $ 30 000 you have in it now. It will cost you real hard cash in legal costs, in-kind in the form of the endless hours and days you will spend on it, and in health and joy of life for you, your family, and your other close ones. You will get bitter and grey hairs before it is over.
Yes, sometimes life kicks you in the teeth you just had repaired for a fortune. I can fully understand those feelings, been there over and over again.
In 5 years, how does someone determine whether a titled HMMWV that is for sale is from the ORUO lot or the legit lot? How would a DMV determine it?Howdy,
First off, there are 2 different HMMWV vehicle being sold from the government. The price will reflect that.
A special group of HMMWV that come with full regular title are the group which was already purchased and lined up for sale. That is the special high priced units. The other set are only being offered as OFF-ROAD USE only. That is the conditional contract allowing them to be sold.
The OP was attempting to get a OFF-ROAD USE vehicle on the street. The contract states that. Whether you like it or not. The hold harmless agreement is a totally different item. A auction item is being sold as is. Yes GovPlanet has that ironclad guarantee, for the said shape at the time of inspection. The hold harmless agreement will cover everything else when is comes to you stubbing your toe while on the premises.
The more stink people raise about the off-road use HMMWV being sold, they might rebuke the offer and just start scrapping them again.
It is not a DMV thing. It is a surplus HMMWV being sold to the public with a conditional OFF-ROAD USE only.
The same thing will applies to the latest HEMMTT. Some where the gov decided to stop selling them. They are shredding them. Nice ones too.
There are some fully registerable HMMWV out there. The cost shows it $$$$$$$
There are OFF-ROAD USE only HMMWV out there. They cannot be plated. Lawyer or not. That is the condition of sale. Which you agree to when you even place a bid.
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Contact DLA and ask them what their records reflect as to how the SF-97 reads. SF-97's are serial numbered and controlled documents and a record of every one issued is kept by the issuing authority. Quite literally a person issuing SF-97's signs for the blank forms with the serial #'s logged and must account for every single one.In 5 years, how does someone determine whether a titled HMMWV that is for sale is from the ORUO lot or the legit lot? How would a DMV determine it?
the number of years it's been titled....I have them titled from 2001.In 5 years, how does someone determine whether a titled HMMWV that is for sale is from the ORUO lot or the legit lot? How would a DMV determine it?
Does not say: unless made road worthy or street legal or something like "agrees that Humvee in its current condition is for off-highway use only1. Buyer acknowledges that the Humvee is not roadworthy and agrees that Humvee is for
off-highway use only.