Classifieds suggestion - REQUIRE vehicle titles

[clinto]

Actually it's 1985 in GA. I had a 1968 Chevelle from Texas (no title, just bill of sale) to GA (no title, just bill of sale) I have since sold it and the guy in Ohio is trying to title it. Shouldn't be an issue but OH wants everything titled. Not having a title can make the vehicle cheaper as some buyers in some states don't want the hassle of titling it.

Not entirely-pre-'63, they will not do it whatsoever, even if you have a title in your hand from another state.

Per the DMV's website: (MVD | Is a Title Required for My Vehicle?)

Vehicle Title Optional

• You can title a 1963-1985 year model vehicle if you have a title issued in your name.
• You can title a 1963-1985 year model vehicle if the owner on the front of the title has assigned the title to you.
• You can title a 1963-1985 year model vehicle if the owner on the front of the title has assigned the title to a dealer and the dealer has assigned the title to you.
• A title will not be issued for a 1963-1985 year model vehicle if the vehicle has been registered in someone else's name(s) other than the owner(s) shown on the face of the Georgia title.

Vehicle Title Not Required/Not Issued

• 1962 and older year model vehicles

If you have a 1964-1985 model vehicle, you can get a title. It just has to meet the rules listed above.

We have titles for all of our (clintogf and mine) Deuces, my '69 Satellite, etc. The issue is that when you are at the DMV and ask for the title, they will try to tell you it isn't required. But if you ask nicely, usually they will send it to Atlanta and you'll get a title.

Much more info here:

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/deuce/41227-georgia-mv-title-problems.html

 

[clinto]

First, it would help with End User documentation. The train of custody would easier to follow (follow the titles back to the original SF97/buyer).

Second, it would probably get more people into vehicles as it can be pretty daunting when you read about all the issues that people have.

For the minority of people who would never take it off private property we should forgo the benefits of a title and not having a new guy face an additional $200-$400+ cost?

I think there are more States with this type of requirement:

A Pennsylvania certificate of title will only be issued when the out-of-state title is submitted with the completed Form MV-1

Than have a 'we don't need no stinking title' rule.

None of the posts have said why it would be BAD.. and I believe more states require it than do not.

You would be right IF the Federal govt. would require all States have similar (or the same) rules about titles.

But as I posted above, I can't get a title for my '55 M38A1. Ohio would require it, along with many other states.

Requiring sellers to offer titles assumes it is within the seller's capability to obtain a title.

Your suggestion would basically restrict the sellers like myself who reside in States which do not issue titles. Believe me, if I could get a title on it, I would!

If you wanted to propose a rule that would actually help keep paperwork trails in place, get all 50 states to issue titles, regardless of age. Then make them all require them. Problem solved.

 

[Scarecrow1]

I feel like throwing in on this one too ....I agree in some states it harder to go through the dance than others but that's not the issue. Should SS allow the sale of untitled MVs is .....In my own right I feel that anyone who buys a car or truck without a title is crazy ....It's one of the most covered topics on here . I Wouldn't do it EVER at any price. So with that said . If you are interested in anything here or anywhere else It should be in the top 5 questions you ask about the item. But no it shouldn't be required to have a title to be listed in the classified because in some states it's not required ...If it is in your's then don't buy it .....

 

[bubba_got_you]

[FONT=&quot]i move that we also require that the seller have health care. What have we become? There was a time when the buyer could handle making the decision of what to but and what not to buy. People should try asking questions and finding the fax before they buy things, it really works. [/FONT]

 

[jluv1185]

I vote for just asking if the vehicle your interested in has a title, and knowing your own laws...but i dont anything. Just ask my girlfriend.....

 

[greenjeepster]

Paper trail? I know we have many members who only buy private same because they don't want a paper trail... Extreme in my opinion, but to each his own.

I would love it if Kentucky would scrap their title requirement. I see the usefulness of a title in order to protect finance companies on newer vehicle, but requiring a title on old stuff is just another way for them to make extra money. I think it is stupid for a state to have a strict title law and not even alow you to apply for a title.

I see a day in the very near future when thousands of classic American made cars in spotless condition will be imported from Cuba. I just need to move out of Kentucky first so I can take advantage of it.

 

[paulfarber]

If you are selling non-running hulk how is that in any way the same animal as a vehicle that will be titled/registered/plated in any of the MAJORITY of states that require it? If its a parts truck, there IS a classified section called (surprisingly enough) PARTS.

I asked about a deuce and told him that I would only buy it if there was a title in hand. He referred me to a $400+ title service, plus I would have to pay additional title fees in PA.

I still have not heard any really good reasons why it should not be required.

If you are flipping trucks how can having a title be a bad thing? You are already making up a $1300 truck to over $2500. Now when asked to have the proper paperwork that the majority of DMVs are going to ask for you refuse... and how many flippers are telling guys 'oh by the way, you will have to pay for inspections, fees, VIN rubbings blah blah blah?

I am not saying that a seller should be versed in every states DMV rules... JUST THE ONE THEY HAVE THE TRUCK FOR SALE IN. Because once they sell the truck, sign the title then BOTH people are covered and are bound to have a good outcome. If SF97s were so easy to get titles out of them why is there a forum to specifically cover the pitfalls of SF97s?

Is asking a seller to be a good business man and helpful fellow MV owner such a bad thing?

 

[OPCOM]

How about my rant lol , what is it with people trucks ,parts ,etc. when it gets to the bottom of the classifieds section they repost it to keep it at the top? I know others have noticed.

And im with the others, its the buyers problem if they want a MV that doesnt have a title , nothing says you have to own one. Choice not Need. - Jay

The thing I was told to do is to first delete the old post then create the new one. This avoids junk posts. Don't do it every week. Once a month should be enough. If people are looking for items they will find them, and they will look through all of them to find the best deal and or quality, so it makes little difference to be at the top of the list on a daily basis.

Those wishing to have the privilege of high exposure on a high dollar item should look into paying for an ad on the site from which so many benefits are derived.

As for titles, it seems enough for the ad to say if the title or SF97 is present or not. If the ad does not say, the wise buyer will ask.

 

[jime]

caveat emptor

 

[hank]

 

[hank]

In talking to sellers in the past i have found that many were vere misleading about the information on titles.some may not know the facts and other were all about the money telling you what you want to here.

 

[101coolcars]

titles

I suggest that *ANY* vehicle offered for sale or trade on SS *MUST* have a title.

A lot of people would be saved some $$$ and states that will not accept a bill of sale vehicle or have to pay penalties for not registering/titleing a vehicle within a certain date etc etc etc.

The Buyer assumes the risk in a private transaction, and doesnt have much recourse if the deal goes bad. Buyer should ask all questions FIRST, or deal with a licensed dealer. SS Forum is not a regulatory body.

101coolcars

 

[SETOYOTA]

You can not get a title on a vehicle older than 1963 in the state of GA regardless of the chain of custody. For this reason alone your request is absurd.

 

[NDT]

Paul, usually I agree with you but not this time. For instance, I specifically look for army trucks with no titles, because that is a haggle point to drive down the price. Caveat Emptor applies to everyone else.

 

[kc5mzd]

The reason it is a bad idea for the owners of this site to require every vehicle sold here to have a valid title,

Once you decide to require a valid title then you will have to decide what a valid title is. Once you approve a title and the sale goes bad because of a issue with a title then you are responsable to correct your mistake.You could be held liable for any losses by both parties.

Could you imagine having to verify every title from every vehicle sold on this FREE website?

I think you should just stick with reporting people that say they have a title and then don't when you show up to purchase the vehicle.

 

[captain-crank]

Farby, I never agree with you and still don't.

What happens out in the world away from SS? Who will watch out for your interest when buying an MV there?

Just cuz you are too lazy or lack the intuitiveness to do the paperwork why pee in everyone's cereal?

Sounds like you don't like a guy making a buck on a truck you want and for him to do all the registration work to boot.

I have ...... a few WWII Combat Vehicles that were never even issued titles.

According to your skewed thinking, I should have passed them up because they lacked paperwork?

Don't think so.

 

[moose53]

To me, whether the vehicle has a title or not is pretty much meanigless since my state doesn't issue titles for vehicles over 25 years old. So even if it came from a state that did title, I wouldn't have one once I registered it here. A requirement for a vehicle to be titled in order to advertise it for sale would really reduce the number of vehicles you could choose from.

Jim

 

[Stan Leschert]

Title............Look kids, it is part of sale disclosure. Unless you can provide a title, it's a parts truck. Please bear that in mind when you set your price. If the buyer wants to jump through the hoops to change it from donor truck to registered truck...well that's their problem. If I want to sell something, I will tell you exactly what it is, what the limitations are, and if I get a chance... all of the selling features that I think you should know about. If I sell anything here that is not as represented, I know without a shadow of a doubt that every one here will know about it. Not happening in my world! I'm don't have apppropriate inventory to sell here. Buying.....well, maybe. Educating myself is imperrative, and this site has become one of my most important resources. Thanks to to Chris and Mangus et all for doing this!

 

[badgmc56]

Stan, that may be true in Canada but not the U.S. We buy vehicles here all the time without titles and they are NOT parts vehicles. CT. is a no title state and no inspection state. If what you say is true, then a lot of vehicles on our roads are parts vehicles. Not so!

 

[greenjeepster]

Lets add Missouri to the list of state that do not need titles on older vehicles. The Jeep that I took my user name from I sold to a guy from Missouri a few years ago and he didn't want the title. Told me to throw it away and just send him a bill of sale. I had it notarized and sent it along with the bill of sale....If he wanted to dispose of it that is his business.

Without physically checking and seeing how many states do not require titles I would venture to guess that far more do not than do.