Hydro assist to manual steering

[Unforgiven]

Instead of doing a power steering swap or a full-hydro conversion, has anyone considered a hydraulic ram-assist piggybacked on top of the stock Deuce manual steering?

It seems that would be a viable solution to power steering without even touching the original setup.

A bolt-on steering column adapter, once calibrated, could meter the hydraulic fluid to the ram. It could even be calibrated via a sort of rag-joint setup to give hydro before the manual effort was required.

In effect it would be full-hydro steering but with the security of the manual system left fully in tact and functional.

 

[gimpyrobb]

I have seen systems like that. Someone has a kit that you put the thingy on the steering column and add a ram, but it is astronomical. I have also seen where someone put a saginaw power steering box on a deuce and had it tapped to accept hoses that ran a hydro ram. He said it worked very well. His was a shorty and had 395s or 1400s on it.

 

[sewerzuk]

There is equipment for doing something similar to what you suggest...try this:
Surplus Center - 9.7 CU IN STEERING VALVE (TORQUE GENERATOR)

 

[tm america]

this set up gives you just that without modding the steering column or gear box.. it installs in the drag link and works the same as the air o matic the military used on the a3 only it uses hydro instead of air

 

[gimpyrobb]

Thats the style Deathrowdave used on his.

 

[tm america]

He's probably the one that out bid me on it..i want to find another one to put on my deuce..Some day?

 

[gimpyrobb]

Nah, his was from a "big truck" yard.

 

[srodocker]

im also curious in this setup.

 

[tm america]

The one i have pictured is from a old combine.. I have seen this set up on some tractor to.. the old f 250s used a similar set up but it was a little small for a deuce

 

[Unforgiven]

Is it a full mechanical drag link? Where can you get them new?

 

[Unforgiven]

There is equipment for doing something similar to what you suggest...try this:
Surplus Center - 9.7 CU IN STEERING VALVE (TORQUE GENERATOR)

That's kind of neat. Does it have a continuous shaft all the way through the device? I think hydraulic rams for steering require a little more pressure than 1000 psi, but don't quote me.

 

[tm america]

It functions as a manual drag link if the hydro set up fails..the pic has a deuce drag link to show the size comparison and how it could be adapted..

 

[tm america]

question about the steering valve set up? It looks like it is a hydro motor with a valve built into it.Does it require anything other than a pump and the unit itself? Or is it just a control valve to opperate a hydro cylinder?

 

[sewerzuk]

question about the steering valve set up? It looks like it is a hydro motor with a valve built into it.Does it require anything other than a pump and the unit itself? Or is it just a control valve to opperate a hydro cylinder?

My understanding is that it only requires a pump. I had looked into this on my deuce before I did my hydro setup.
It looks really slick...if the deuce's column wasn't a continuous tube it would have been REALLY tempting.

 

[59apache]

http://srtp.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Cylinder_Catalog_-_Oct_2009.275205522.pdf

scroll to page 9

they have a draglink with valve, they have also rem. steering boxes. bought mine there....
they do a good job.

 

[deathrowdave]

This the style that I used on my conversion. It has a control valve/draglink assembly that replaces your draglink. I used a 5ton multi pump. Garrison steering control valve/draglink, 5ton steering ram(cylinder) attached to the tie rod. Works great , didn't have to remove stock steering box. If it blows a hose I stll have stock steering !!! You can turn the steering wheel with ease. Mine came from a junk fire truck . Early C40-60 Chevrolet / GMC trucks used the same thing. Large amount of soft drink trucks in junk with this steering. Check it out on Utube !!! Pm with questions if I can help. BE safe ,Dave (www.garrison steering.com)

 

[srodocker]

what do i search for on youtbue to see it?

 

[deathrowdave]

M35a2 Power Steering . I may have some pictures if I can still find them . I posted pictures on here when I was fabing and installing it. Try some power steering searchs. Almost works too good !!! Pm me with qyestions I will try to help install . Thousands of them out there " early pop trucks " " PM I may not look at all posts "

 

[Jakob]

what do i search for on youtbue to see it?

Wondering the same thing. I have had hydro-assist on a mud truck... but the Deuce is a little different.

 

[m-35tom]

for all the work involved, you might as well just put real power steering on it. all the parts are easily available and there are 2 boxes that fit really well. it has been covered here 100's of times

tom