Oil filter cans that retain oil?

[Jeepsinker]

Interesting. In my years of experience dealing with deuces and multifuels, the White branded engine seems to suffer more catastrophic failures the hercs and continentals. No hard data, just my 20 years of deuce ownership.

This is what I have gathered in all my reading here as well.

 

[Jeepsinker]

We actually have a thread here on SS that asked that question. I thought someone had proof that the continentals were more prone. I'll have to see if I can dig it up.

Gimp, the thread you are thinking about started off with a member detailing a rod failure in his truck on his way to work. I remember he slung the rod, pulled over and shut it down, cranked it back up and drove it to a Parkin lot and then towed it home. The truck was tan. Don't know if any of that helps jog your memory of which thread it was or not.

 

[swbradley1]

I just wish they had a filter can that didn't leak oil all over my barn and the floor and require buying stock in Tidy Cat for the hazmat cleanup.

 

[gimpyrobb]

I just wish they had a filter can that didn't leak oil all over my barn and the floor and require buying stock in Tidy Cat for the hazmat cleanup.

It was only 15ish bags! I spent a whole **** day cleaning that sh1t up!!!! It wouldn't have been so bad, but I knocked over a 5gal bucket of coolant just after cleaning up the oil. Then after everything checked out and I went to do the oil change, the filter cans retained the oil and made yet another mess! I was a tad frustrated to say the least.

 

[oddshot]

Chris, you're spot on. The main bearings get Oil pressure at engine start, oil then flows to the filters, oil pressure transmitter, upper galley etc. The engine does not truely experience a "dry start" .

Truly, it does. Upon starting the oil does FLOW to all the places you mentioned, but not under pressure. Until the oil fills all the places in the engine it needs to fill, INCLUDING the filters, you won't build the PRESSURE necessary to lube the various bearings. The proof of this is the oil pressure gauge. Until it shows pressure, you ain't got none.

A simple test would be to remove the oil pressure sending unit and plumb a line from there to the dipstick tube then start the engine. The oil pump will be flowing oil everywhere in the engine, but you won't have any pressure and you'll pound out your bearings in no time.

 

[rustystud]

Chris, you're spot on. The main bearings get Oil pressure at engine start, oil then flows to the filters, oil pressure transmitter, upper galley etc. The engine does not truely experience a "dry start" .

If you look at the diagrams I posted you will see this is not true. Also if it was true the oil pressure would be over 100PSI as the sender unit takes it pressure from the main galley. As I said in my last post, if you would remove the oil plug below the oil filters and put in a mechanical gauge you will see the pressure is over 100 PSI. This is pressure straight from the oil pump, not regulated pressure.

 

[gimpyrobb]

Ok, I will make sure I take pics and post up what I find, when I find it! Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Jeepsinker]

So is there any good reason not to fiddle with the oil pressure regulator to get my hot pressure up higher? Mine isn't really that low, still 30 pounds at hot idle, but I like more. It makes me feel better.

 

[oddshot]

So is there any good reason not to fiddle with the oil pressure regulator to get my hot pressure up higher?

When I was racing MGB's there was a mod in the MG competition manual. A couple shims would be placed between the spring and the cap to increase spring tension. The modification worked so well on the track, I ended up doing it to all my street MGB's.

 

[Jeepsinker]

So there is no negative effect per se? It isnt going to cause undue stress on anything that I'm not thinking about right?

 

[welldigger]

So there is no negative effect per se? It isnt going to cause undue stress on anything that I'm not thinking about right?

It depends on what the bypass is set to open at already. If your not building enough pressure to open them now then adding spring tension to them won't increase oil pressure.

I don't know what they are set at from the factory. I don't know if it hurts anything to try.

 

[rustystud]

So there is no negative effect per se? It isnt going to cause undue stress on anything that I'm not thinking about right?

I wouldn't think there would be a problem bumping up the pressure. In fact in Tracey's pulling tractor their pushing over 200 PSI ! He also told me a lot of the "White" tractors have there pressure's set at around 80 PSI .
As far as being able to build-up pressure Jake, the pump should be putting out 100 PSI to 120 PSI . Mine right now ( as of 2 days ago ) builds over 110 PSI .

 

[Jeepsinker]

Excellent, I shall commence fiddling.

 

[JasonS]

So is there any good reason not to fiddle with the oil pressure regulator to get my hot pressure up higher? Mine isn't really that low, still 30 pounds at hot idle, but I like more. It makes me feel better.

You won't increase your idle pressure by adjusting the regulator.

 

[oddshot]

So there is no negative effect per se? It isnt going to cause undue stress on anything that I'm not thinking about right?

Excellent, I shall commence fiddling.

As long as folks don't start going crazy or think its going to cure low oil pressure caused by worn out engine bearings or other internal problems, I can't see where a little more oil pressure could hurt. Just go a little at a time.

As I said before, TM 9-2815-210-34-2-2 has quite a bit of information on the OP regulator assembly. Start reading at 4-197.

 

[rustystud]

As long as folks don't start going crazy or think its going to cure low oil pressure caused by worn out engine bearings or other internal problems, I can't see where a little more oil pressure could hurt. Just go a little at a time.

As I said before, TM 9-2815-210-34-2-2 has quite a bit of information on the OP regulator assembly. Start reading at 4-197.

I agree "Oddshot" . Moderation in all things !
One thing I plan on doing is installing another oil pressure gauge on the main pressure circuit. I have already ordered the parts. That way I can monitor my oil pressure knowing that my real pump pressure is OK or not. Then I can determine if the regular oil sensor or gauge is bad or if I truly lost all pressure.

 

[welldigger]

If I remember correctly one bypass is for the engine and one is for the turbo. If you decide to fiddle with the regulator I wouldn't mess with the turbo bypass. No sense in blowing out the oil seals in the turbo.

 

[rustystud]

Yes there are the two regulators in that same housing, and no it would be BAD to get too much pressure on that Turbo seal ! Can you say run-away engine !

 

[Jeepsinker]

Great, so which one is for the turbo? The top or bottom cylinder?

 

[welldigger]

Great, so which one is for the turbo? The top or bottom cylinder?

Judging by the diagram rusty posted I think the turbo is lubed from the same circuit as the camshaft. But it's hard to tell on my phone.