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Really?!!He didn't loose his life in a hmmwv accident, he died in a hospital 7 days later. Unfortunate, but I stand by my original comment. hmmwvs are relatively safe for general use.
As a healthcare provider there are many reasons people die in the hospital, MVA may be what put him in the hospital, but it's a major assumption to say that that is what he died from. Could be post op infection/sepsis, post op blood lot related stroke, pulmonary embolis, or something as simple as a living will which prevented implementation of life saving measures. At 7 days post we could not put blunt force trauma from MVA as cause of death.Really?!!
He died because he was in the hmmwv accident, whether it was instant or 7 days later he died because of the accident, if that was a joke it wasn't funny.
Important to notice: the information posted by EnteJager in post #47 was from a HMMWV accident last year. I do recall that accident too. If anything it would suggest "don't enlist to drive in New Jersey if you value your life."Thank you for that post.
Now we know accident not caused by a failure of the vehicle components, or by driver inattention or error.
Looks like a reckless driver hit the HMMWV, forcing it into guardrail...
That was my read way back in post #18. I have not seen or read any new information that would suggest otherwise, nor have we seen the root-cause of the guardrail contact published anywhere as of yet.This looks like a classic case of a vehicle vs guardrail...
In my opinion, I believe it's a bit morbid to go into this type of detail on a public forum - remember that many members here are or were active service, and it is within the realm of possibility that the soldiers involved in the crash may have friends or family that may read this (especially if a Google search links this thread).The leg was probably not...
I don't see where posting a report from over a year ago ( that in it self does not say the HMMWV was that cause of the death) is relevant to this conversation. No one in this thread has said there has never been a death associated with HMMWV accidents.Really?!!
He died because he was in the hmmwv accident, whether it was instant or 7 days later he died because of the accident, if that was a joke it wasn't funny.
I clarified my statement in post #59I don't see where posting a report from over a year ago ( that in it self does not say the HMMWV was that cause of the death) is relevant to this conversation. No one in this thread has said there has never been a death associated with HMMWV accidents.
All your our doing is adding to the confusion. (How many reading this thread thought that report was from this accident before seeing the date line stating it was from a year ago?
I am sorry if I unintentionally offended anyone, that was not the intention of my post.In my opinion, I believe it's a bit morbid to go into this type of detail on a public forum - remember that many members here are or were active service, and it is within the realm of possibility that the soldiers involved in the crash may have friends or family that may read this (especially if a Google search links this thread).
Having a lot of family currently and formerly in Fire/EMT/Paramedic/air-ambulance services (as well as my CERT/SAR participation), I can testify that running around frantically doesn't get the patient the best care. Methodically going through the necessary steps to preserve life and physical function is the most important job of the medics. The last thing you want to do to a trauma patient is run around and drop them, so medics will walk at a brisk pace to the ambulance or helicopter. Patients who are conscious are also talking to and watching the medics, so acting frantic and looking panicked is a good way to freak out a patient and put them in a crisis. You can watch how these events are actually handled, played out in the most honest fashion in National Geographic's Inside Combat Rescue - what the Pilots and the Parajumper(s) are doing is the specific job of saving as many lives as possible, listen to how calmly and procedurally they do their jobs. There is a method to life saving.
In general under the American way of doing medicine, there is the "Golden Hour", wherein if you can get a critical-casualty to a trauma center inside of an hour the likelihood of survival is very good. That said different places have different procedures - I'm reminded of the occasion where Princess Dianna was in a car accident in France as a way to illustrate this point. Many in the USA and the U.K. were questioning why the ambulance crew kept stopping while she was in essence dying in the back. In France a patient must be stabilized before transportation can occur, so they kept stopping to attempt to stabilize her. Here in the USA we do what we can to maintain vitals and stabilize until a trauma center can take over with more advanced life saving techniques. It's just a different way of doing basically the same thing, and the laws are different in both places.
People get killed in all kinds of rollovers, jeeps, cars, trucks, humvees, motorcycles. Blanket statements that these are unsafe on the road is nonsense any more than pointing out all vehicles are inherently unsafe, they're mechanical and anything mechanical will and can break at some point in it's life. Driving is a risk. So is walking across the county road to get my mail.Drifting way off topic here, bottom line, M998 rolled over for yet unknown reason and 4 people got really hurt. It goes to show why they do not want these all over the road being driven by people that do not understand the risks. Not saying everyone but enough to justify their decision that they are not safe for public use. Agree or not you see what happens when one of these puppies rolls over. Does it happen often? No but it only takes one to say "See now you know we are right"
That said. I hope that all recover and whatever the root cause, I hope we learn what it was in case it is something we as owners must be aware of. We do not have Ralph Nader reporting on the shortfalls of the safety of HUMVEEs...
Well said.People get killed in all kinds of rollovers, jeeps, cars, trucks, humvees, motorcycles. Blanket statements that these are unsafe on the road is nonsense any more than pointing out all vehicles are inherently unsafe, they're mechanical and anything mechanical will and can break at some point in it's life. Driving is a risk. So is walking across the county road to get my mail.