Wrecker wishlist of mods

[Scar59]

Ron,
You're a genius, now I know where to mount the field deployable toilet seat.
Best idea I've seen all day.

 

[Trailboss]

Pioneers carried toilet seats with them? Learn something new everyday. Never saw one with Ward Bond or Charlie Wooster on Wagon Train.




ETA: Rats, Scar59 beat me to it while I was catching up with the thread.

 

[Another Ahab]

I am still dealing with the sledge hammer/long bar issue but am working on a ground accessible retainer for then, the 819 upgrade is a never ending project, I will most likely be dead BEFORE the upgrades are done or the 819 will turn to dust which will signal the end of the upgrade project.

We'll turn the light out for you if the 819 goes to dust (and we're not already dust ourselves).

 

[Floridianson]

I wish mine was sold/gone!

 

[Scar59]

Pioneers carried toilet seats with them? Learn something new everyday. Never saw one with Ward Bond or Charlie Wooster on Wagon Train.




ETA: Rats, Scar59 beat me to it while I was catching up with the thread.

Ha, we keep one in the hunting camp equipment. Sportsman Guide had seats that snapped onto a 5 gal. pail, those are real handy.

 

[Csm Davis]

I wish mine was sold/gone!

I'll give you 100 dollars.

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[Csm Davis]

Pioneers carried toilet seats with them? Learn something new everyday. Never saw one with Ward Bond or Charlie Wooster on Wagon Train.




ETA: Rats, Scar59 beat me to it while I was catching up with the thread.

Heck I thought you being the Trailboss you would know better than anyone?



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Jeff - I was walking past mine the other day and thinking about the nose weight or lack of issue.......
How hard would this be?
936View attachment 595917 or 816View attachment 595918 Longer prop, brake lines...... what else?

Looks a little more purpose built than 'let's take a cargo truck, throw on a crane and beef up the chassis and call it good'.
The benefits at the working end would way off set any issues associated with turning circle increase...


NB. Idea date stamped 25 Nov 2015 - zebedee concepts!!!!!

Forum won't let me load the pic but don't think there will be a clearance issue with the rear winch if the axles are moved back on my m816.

Will be pulling the rear axles/suspension out this spring to install a locker in the middle axle, can do a test fit of the axle relocation at that point.

Besides turning radius increase what other downsides would there be to moving the axles rearward?

 

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Now it loads. Pic of the underside of my m816 where the rear winch is at.

 

[73m819]

Red,
The longgggggggggg wheel base on the m819 is what makes it a far better lift tow wrecker then ANY of the older 5t wreckers (39, 809(except 819) and 939 series), the 819 has All the major weight and most of the minor weight in FRONT of the rear trunion , this allows for a GREAT counter weight, I have NEVER had the front end off the ground even with major lift limits +

The big issue in moving the rears back is the X frame member, this keeps the frame from twisting from sharp turns, the trunion is dead center under the X member which extends about three feet on each side of the trunion, this configuration makes a almost unbendable/unbreakable frame, this strong frame FORCES the rears to follow around the curve instead of trying to go straight. You will notice that most bent MV frames are bent in front of the X frame, no matter they were hit. Most of the newer truck frames DO NOT have the X member because the frame is designed to absorb the impact which in turn is supposed to keep the driver safer.

I would rather have a older military frame then any newer frame, when I wrecked the 819 I hit so hard the the r front spring mount got ripped off the frame and also broke the front gear cover/motor mount, I know for a fact that if it was not for a OLDER military frame, I would be posting this using worm.com.

 

[Another Ahab]

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Now it loads. Pic of the underside of my m816 where the rear winch is at.

Thanks for the pic. I can't tell from looking at it if that winch unit is hydraulic, or PTO-driven.

I'm guessing by the drain plug under the tank feature (tied to the chain-drive), that is IS hydraulic. But I've guessed wrong a lot before.

What kind of drive is behind the winch?

 

[Another Ahab]

Thanks for the pic. I can't tell from looking at it if that winch unit is hydraulic, or PTO-driven.

I'm guessing by the drain plug under the tank feature (tied to the chain-drive), that is IS hydraulic. But I've guessed wrong a lot before.

What kind of drive is behind the winch?

Wait, that tank is just the oil bath for the winch gearing; right? I just now figured that out.

The drive comes from the sprocket at the opposite end of the chain.

Still, hard to tell; PTO or hydraulic?

 

[wcuhillbilly]

PTO,
The 816 rear winch is shaft driven from the Power divider which switches power delivery from the crane to the rear winch. The oil box on the left is the worm gear of the winch, the sprocket on the right is where the drive shaft from the Pwr divider terminates and a reduction is made from driveline speed to the chain drive of the rear winch....
The large castle nut at the top of the pick is the backside of his pintle hitch. he is laying under his rear hitch shooting this pic up and toward the winch while looking into the bowels of the truck.

I am considering how to make this winch run Hydraulic as I have a Eaton Fuller 10spd at my fingers, but I would have to move everything back 12" and this would move the angle of the crane drive that I just fought with for 3 months back into unusable again. With a good configuration of a "Wet Kit" on the 10spd, I could power the Crane, rear winch and front winch off the wet kit and totally eliminate the Power divider, thus giving me the room to relocate the Transfer case or swap it out with the air shift version coupled with the 10 to make one killer driveline, having the hydraulic ease of the 936 with the merits of the trusty rusty 816

 

[Another Ahab]

With a good configuration of a "Wet Kit" on the 10spd, I could power the Crane, rear winch and front winch off the wet kit and totally eliminate the Power divider, thus giving me the room to relocate the Transfer case or swap it out with the air shift version coupled with the 10 to make one killer driveline, having the hydraulic ease of the 936 with the merits of the trusty rusty 816

Thanks for the explanation.

"Trusty Rusty 816":

- That would make a great name for a thread!

 

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Hadn't thought about the x frame reinforcements, would be an easy addition

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[73m819]

Hadn't thought about the x frame reinforcements, would be an easy addition

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You could slide the whole X member back, dump the rivets, clean up the inside of the frame of everything so it is a naked inner frame, THIS would be a project BUT can be done.

 

[Csm Davis]

PTO,
The 816 rear winch is shaft driven from the Power divider which switches power delivery from the crane to the rear winch. The oil box on the left is the worm gear of the winch, the sprocket on the right is where the drive shaft from the Pwr divider terminates and a reduction is made from driveline speed to the chain drive of the rear winch....
The large castle nut at the top of the pick is the backside of his pintle hitch. he is laying under his rear hitch shooting this pic up and toward the winch while looking into the bowels of the truck.

I am considering how to make this winch run Hydraulic as I have a Eaton Fuller 10spd at my fingers, but I would have to move everything back 12" and this would move the angle of the crane drive that I just fought with for 3 months back into unusable again. With a good configuration of a "Wet Kit" on the 10spd, I could power the Crane, rear winch and front winch off the wet kit and totally eliminate the Power divider, thus giving me the room to relocate the Transfer case or swap it out with the air shift version coupled with the 10 to make one killer driveline, having the hydraulic ease of the 936 with the merits of the trusty rusty 816

Use the hydraulic motor off a 936 and it will all fit, must change the sprocket on the winch also. Will get you picture tomorrow if can remember.

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[Csm Davis]

Forum won't let me load the pic but don't think there will be a clearance issue with the rear winch if the axles are moved back on my m816.

Will be pulling the rear axles/suspension out this spring to install a locker in the middle axle, can do a test fit of the axle relocation at that point.

Besides turning radius increase what other downsides would there be to moving the axles rearward?

It has some issues if I remember right but I am going to make a long wheelbase wrecker. Using a 927 frame to start with so effectively stretching the front part of the frame. But I have some wild ideas.

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You could slide the whole X member back, dump the rivets, clean up the inside of the frame of everything so it is a naked inner frame, THIS would be a project BUT can be done.

Could just make a copy of the reinforcements and add them to the rear section, no need to remove the crossmember. Already have 40 large rivets to remove for the air brake conversion (once it warms up) so have no interest in removing more.

Any other downsides to relocating the rear axles?

Part of why I am considering this is for a idea that I have. Similar to what Soni did with his FEMMT by having multiple bed platforms to swap out, I want to have that with my wrecker. Where relocating the axles affects that is with both the wrecker bed and a 5th wheel tractor setup. No interest in having multiple vehicles.

 

[86m1028]

It has some issues if I remember right but I am going to make a long wheelbase wrecker. Using a 927 frame to start with so effectively stretching the front part of the frame. But I have some wild ideas.
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I would love to have a long wheelbase m936 but that's a LOT of work !