Diesel

[Chief_919]

I can only speak for Texas, but usually, they are looking for a red dye in a truck or whatever is being driven on a public road. If they find red, they can actually seize your vehicle. I carry lots of Marvel Mystery Oil with me just in case; never had a problem. Texaco diesel is clear; everybody else is dyed green; I don't know why, but if one were to fill up at Texaco, and then add Marvel, ???? You be the Judge.

Because of people claiming it was ATF or Marvel in NC whne you are caught they send a fuel sample to a lab where the determine if it is ATF or fuel dye.

 

[Westex]

That's simply incredible they go to that length of investigation..... I think after reading this I'll just stick with regular diesel and go forward with my used motor oil filtering project.

 

[m16ty]

In oil when i was a kid, we had tank and we bought gas it eas tax exempt, the oldman estimating what was used on the road and pay taxes on that, I belive that is how it still done here maybe some knows. I aways thought that farm plates exempt you from dot crap because it part of DOA. I run dump trucks without A CDL went though the wiegh station they told me just keep moving after the ask me where I going.

The fuel tax has nothing to do with the DOT it's the Dept. of Revenue. It doesn't matter if you're in a Mack truck or a diesel VW Rabbit. Everybody has to pay road taxes just like everybody pays income taxes.



Westex, The reason they go to such lengths in their investigation is because of the money involved. That's also why the fines are so steep. The government looses millions if not billions each year from people running dyed fuel and not paying road taxes. You can rob somebodys home and get a slap on the wrist but you try and rob the government and you will pay dearly.

 

[Chief_919]

That's simply incredible they go to that length of investigation..... I think after reading this I'll just stick with regular diesel and go forward with my used motor oil filtering project.

I called my buddy who works for the NCSHP, he said they have field test kits for dye and the lab. If it looks red they field test, if it tests for dye they issue the citation and send the second sample to the lab for confirmation. If it looks red and the field test shows nothing, they send a second sample to the lab and if it shows dye over a certain percentage they issue the ticket.

There is big money in it for them. In NC if you get caught using red diesel, and you have an off road diesel tank at your home/farm/business, they will go back and audit your fuel purchases for the last several years and unless you produce detailed records showing exactly how much was used where the law assumes 100% of the off road fuel you purchased was used on road and they hit you with the tax. Back taxes plus fines= big money.

Just putting untaxed fuel in a vehicle used on road is a $250 fine in this state. If the DOT man visists a trucking company and finds 4 trucks with red fuel, that is $1000 alone just for the dispensing of the fuel, before the fines come for illegal use and before the back taxes they go after.

He also told me that some states go so far as to take your vehicle mileage, find the rated fuel economy, calculate the fuel use back to the day you purchased it, and charge you the tax for every gallon you would have used unless you can produce fuel reciepts for that specific vehicle.

 

[85cj88yj]

yea we sell high sulfur diesel at the boat yard i work at. its for fishing boats ect. i put some in my deuce cause i run it in the woods rite now. havent got her street legal. im going to register next week. but i cant find an insurance carrier for historic vehicles that will cover me for at least 1 of 3 reasons. 1. im only 20, 2. because i had a dui last year, and 3 because i dont have a garage

 

[cessnatwin]

How often do or can they check the color of your fuel?

 

[m16ty]

They can check anytime they want. I've seen roadblocks (the roadblock was setup to look for no DL or DUI but they were also pulling diesels to the side and sticking the tank), I was at a constuction site and they stopped and checked all the trucks there, and they also stopped at my place of business and checked all the company trucks (which are all diesel). It seems like the checks pick up at times when the state is looking to fill a buget shortfall. It's a good way to make alot of money for the state.

 

[kc5mzd]

I used to live in California. I worked at an equipment rental store. We had underground gasoline and diesel tanks. We used to "guess" how much was used on or off road in the late '80s and into the '90s. We paid road tax based on what we estimated was used on the road.

As far as sulfur in diesel fuel goes, it’s not a good thing. When you use higher sulfur fuels the sulfur gets into the motor oil and makes it go bad requiring more frequent oil changes. I am glad to see it being reduced in motor fuels. Before LSD there were a lot of problems with sulfur contaminating your engines motor oil. There was no way of knowing how much sulfur would be in the fuel. Cheep fuel was considered dirty when it had too much sulfur.

 

[AdvancedArmsLLC]

Just a thought.....especially if it is non-commercial vehicle.....If you object to a search and do not give them constent to search.....they are stepping into a whole pile of civil mess. Probable cause, a warrant, or your consent is required for search.

Failing to object to them checking the fuel is the problem....if you let them, they will......

They cannot detain you either.... Ask if you are under arrest. Ask if you are free to go. Depending on the answer ...Ask again if you are under arrest.

Granted....sometimes a diplomatic approach is a much better way to go....but there is no need to help them write your ticket.

 

[SCSG-G4]

AA,
If you are on the highway, they can dip the tank, or seize the vehicle and put you in the slammer without a warrant. Driving on the highway is not a 'right', it's a privilege that the feds and states regulate, and by using the highways, you agree to the regulations, period!

 

[dstang97]

When you guys say off road diesel are you refering to hho or just diesel with die in it?

 

[4x4 Forever]

Just after Hurricane Rita, you could use whatever you could get a hold of. About 6 months after the storm, the DPS and Revenuers cracked down on the dyed diesel use. Seems some had grown to like the cheaper, by 30+/- cents, dyed diesel. Its all about the revenue the state wants!

The repair shops in LA are required to report any dyed diesel found in filters, injectors, and IPs on over the road vehicles when found. Guess it also just depends if you know the shop, etc.

 

[emr]

""""Quote"""As far as sulfur in diesel fuel goes, it’s not a good thing. When you use higher sulfur fuels the sulfur gets into the motor oil and makes it go bad requiring more frequent oil changes. I am glad to see it being reduced in motor fuels. Before LSD there were a lot of problems with sulfur contaminating your engines motor oil. There was no way of knowing how much sulfur would be in the fuel. Cheep fuel was considered dirty when it had too much sulfur.[/quote]"""


...As far as these trucks have been running on the higher sulpher content most of there lifes. It is not a big deal, there are only 3 types of diesel, they are ALL #2 diesel, ...home heat oil and a few year ago off road are the same in sulpher they are the highest , ... the marine deisel some one is talking about too, there is No marine diesel special for just that, its off road fuel,NOW there is the diesel what USED to be at the pump and has a higher sulpher content than the newest diesel at the pump the ultra low that is the new off road,...Now the second or diesel we used to buy at the pump is sometimes used as off road from companys that are on the ball or in a state of over regulation like NJ, SO in the tanks here in NJ we have heat oil for the shop, highest sulpher content, (but what we all used in diesels for a hundred years), off road the old pump diesel and the correct taxed diesel ultra low sulpher , so it may be hard to get, but these are the facts, as for winter diesel it is just added a conditioner it is not a different diesel, some one mentioned #1 ...#1 is Kerosene, period, all what we use is #2 diesel. and all the guard units in every state I have heard of all use the lowest bid off road, meaning they are getting the home oil most of the time, and as far as that goes untill a few years ago ALL off road was the home oil,

 

[dstang97]

""""Quote"""As far as sulfur in diesel fuel goes, it’s not a good thing. When you use higher sulfur fuels the sulfur gets into the motor oil and makes it go bad requiring more frequent oil changes. I am glad to see it being reduced in motor fuels. Before LSD there were a lot of problems with sulfur contaminating your engines motor oil. There was no way of knowing how much sulfur would be in the fuel. Cheep fuel was considered dirty when it had too much sulfur.

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...As far as these trucks have been running on the higher sulpher content most of there lifes. It is not a big deal, there are only 3 types of diesel, they are ALL #2 diesel, ...home heat oil and a few year ago off road are the same in sulpher they are the highest , ... the marine deisel some one is talking about too, there is No marine diesel special for just that, its off road fuel,NOW there is the diesel what USED to be at the pump and has a higher sulpher content than the newest diesel at the pump the ultra low that is the new off road,...Now the second or diesel we used to buy at the pump is sometimes used as off road from companys that are on the ball or in a state of over regulation like NJ, SO in the tanks here in NJ we have heat oil for the shop, highest sulpher content, (but what we all used in diesels for a hundred years), off road the old pump diesel and the correct taxed diesel ultra low sulpher , so it may be hard to get, but these are the facts, as for winter diesel it is just added a conditioner it is not a different diesel, some one mentioned #1 ...#1 is Kerosene, period, all what we use is #2 diesel. and all the guard units in every state I have heard of all use the lowest bid off road, meaning they are getting the home oil most of the time, and as far as that goes untill a few years ago ALL off road was the home oil,[/quote]

Thanks for clearing that up. They have lots of different grades of diesel and I was getting confused. I used to run my trucks on HHO you could smell the difference. I'm glad to hear its better for our pumps though

 

[Mudstone]

is there a sulfur additive?

 

[dstang97]

Outboard 2 stroke oil is what most people are doing to help lube the pumps for our trucks

 

[Westex]

I mix in TCW-3 2 stroke oil from Wal Mart. Costs about $9.00 and some change per gallon at Wal Mart. I use at least 1 gallon of 2 stroke per half a tank. I also add Marvel Mystery Oil--about 1 quart per half tank of fuel.

 

[skysix]

Anyone know if you can drop a fuel pump/sending unit from a gas tank into the diesel tank and have it work? Want to put a 2nd tank on the right side of a CUCV and have it transfer-pump over to the left tank to be used.

 

[F18hornetM]

yea we sell high sulfur diesel at the boat yard i work at. its for fishing boats ect. i put some in my deuce cause i run it in the woods rite now. havent got her street legal. im going to register next week. but i cant find an insurance carrier for historic vehicles that will cover me for at least 1 of 3 reasons. 1. im only 20, 2. because i had a dui last year, and 3 because i dont have a garage

and 4th you live in new jersey..LOL, sorry I had to throw that in..Hope you didnt mind, Md is getting as equally anal.

 

[F18hornetM]

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...As far as these trucks have been running on the higher sulpher content most of there lifes. It is not a big deal, there are only 3 types of diesel, they are ALL #2 diesel, ...home heat oil and a few year ago off road are the same in sulpher they are the highest , ... the marine deisel some one is talking about too, there is No marine diesel special for just that, its off road fuel,NOW there is the diesel what USED to be at the pump and has a higher sulpher content than the newest diesel at the pump the ultra low that is the new off road,...Now the second or diesel we used to buy at the pump is sometimes used as off road from companys that are on the ball or in a state of over regulation like NJ, SO in the tanks here in NJ we have heat oil for the shop, highest sulpher content, (but what we all used in diesels for a hundred years), off road the old pump diesel and the correct taxed diesel ultra low sulpher , so it may be hard to get, but these are the facts, as for winter diesel it is just added a conditioner it is not a different diesel, some one mentioned #1 ...#1 is Kerosene, period, all what we use is #2 diesel. and all the guard units in every state I have heard of all use the lowest bid off road, meaning they are getting the home oil most of the time, and as far as that goes untill a few years ago ALL off road was the home oil,

Thanks for clearing that up. They have lots of different grades of diesel and I was getting confused. I used to run my trucks on HHO you could smell the difference. I'm glad to hear its better for our pumps though[/QUOTE]


All the commerciasl boats here use #2 fuel oil, home heating oil, dyed red. Non taxed. I use regular diesel with an additive from stanydine, they make pumps.